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IT'S NOW FOUR ONE P.M., AND IT'S TIME FOR US TO START WITH OUR WORK SESSION TODAY.
[WORK SESSION]
WELL, FIRST START WITH A CALL A ROLL CALL.SO THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU CALL THE ROLL.
IS ABSENT MR. HUNTER MR. WEBB HERE, RIGHT? SO AS PART OF OUR BUSINESS TONIGHT, WE HAVE AN AGENDA LAID OUT HERE FOR OUR WORK SESSION.
SO MR. ASHCRAFT AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN THIS QUESTION OVER TO YOU SO YOU CAN CALL PEOPLE UP AS NEED BE, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. EXCUSE ME, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
FIRST ITEM ON YOUR WORK SESSION AGENDA THIS EVENING AS AN OVERVIEW OF WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY. FRANK HALTOM, OUR DIRECTOR OF UTILITY, WILL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE HE HAS A POWERPOINT.
AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THAT AT YOUR IN FRONT OF YOU.
MR. CHAIRMAN MS. BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I'M FRANK HALTOM WITH DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES ENGINEERING.
I JUST WANT TO COME IN VERY BRIEFLY KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE, I GUESS, MS. MS. CONCEPTS OF WHAT CAPACITY IS IN OUR SYSTEM AND KIND OF ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES WE ARE FACING RIGHT NOW AND HOW THAT RELATES BACK TO OUR CAPACITY THAT'S REMAINING IN OUR SYSTEMS AND WHAT SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS WE MAY HAVE MOVING FORWARD.
JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION WHEN I MENTIONED STORAGE CAPACITY.
PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE CREATING MORE, MORE CAPACITY WHEN WE BUILD MORE STORAGE, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRODUCTION.
WE HAVE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER SYSTEM CAPACITIES, WE TYPICALLY ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU HAVE PRODUCTION CAPACITY, ALSO KNOWN AS PLANT CAPACITY.
THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DRAW EITHER FROM THE WATER SOURCE ITSELF OR WHAT THE TREATMENT PLANT CAN PRODUCE.
SO THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS.
MOST OF THOSE ARE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS THAT ARE PUT ON US.
SOME OF THOSE ARE PERMIT LIMITATIONS ARE PUT ON US BY OUR REGULATING AUTHORITIES.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WATER TANK CAPACITY, THOSE ARE THE CAPACITIES THAT WE HAVE IN RESERVE FOR FIGHTING FIRES, MEETING OR PEAK DEMANDS, MAINTAINING WATER SERVICE PRESSURES IN THE SYSTEM, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY NEW PRODUCTION.
SO IF WE DO, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE RECENTLY ADDED THE MILLION GALLON TANK IN THE FOOD LINE AREA INTO OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM, WE DIDN'T CREATE MORE PRODUCTION.
WE DID ADD MORE STORAGE CAPACITY, WHICH ALLOWS US TO MEET HIGHER DEMANDS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CAN DRAW MORE WATER FROM OUR SOURCE WATER OR FROM THE WEBB TREATMENT PLAN. SO THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO CAPACITIES.
AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S A PIPE CAPACITY, EVEN THOUGH THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DRAW WATER FROM A CERTAIN AREAS, PIPE CAPACITIES ARE TYPICALLY SOME OF OUR LIMITING INFRASTRUCTURE, MEANING IN CERTAIN CASES, AS YOU MAY KNOW, ALREADY, WE DO HAVE A LIMITATION ON OUR SEWER CAPACITIES WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEND ALL OF OUR ADDITIONAL WASTEWATER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GENERATING THE BUSINESS PARK.
OUR LIMITING FACTOR RIGHT NOW IS A 12 INCH SEWER PIPE GRAVITY SEWER PIPE, AND IT HAS A CERTAIN CAPACITY AND HAS AND IS PRETTY MUCH AT CAPACITY TODAY, WHICH IS NOW THE REASON WHY WE'VE BEEN BRINGING WASTEWATER SOLUTIONS TO YOU TO TO FIND NEW AVENUES.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER AGAIN AS WELL.
BUT TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PIPE CAPACITIES, WATER LINES CAN PULL A LOT OF WATER THROUGH THEIR PARTICULAR TIMES.
THE MAIN THING WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THERE IS IS VELOCITIES.
IF YOU START PULLING TOO MUCH AT ONE TIME, YOU CAN CREATE VELOCITIES IN THE PIPE THAT CAN CREATE SOME SIGNIFICANT DAMAGES TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE DO TRY TO LIMIT ANY TYPE OF PIPE VELOCITIES ON OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS TO ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE TO EIGHT FEET PER SECOND.
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TRANSMISSION MAINS, THOSE ARE USUALLY A LARGER MAINS YOU YOU TYPICALLY CAN GET THAT UP TO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER VELOCITIES, BUT NOT TOO MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT. BUT MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE IN PRINCE GEORGE IS DISTRIBUTION MEANS WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TRANSMISSION MAINS.
OUR TRAINS ARE ESSENTIALLY A SOLE TRANSMISSION.
MAINE IS COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE FROM TEMPLE AVENUE.
ON THE TIP OF AVENUE BRIDGE COMES ALL THE WAY TO OUR BOOSTER STATION, LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF JEFFERSON PARK AND MIDDLE ROAD.
SO THAT'S THE LENGTH OF OUR TRANSMISSION.
SO JUST KIND OF PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR OUR SYSTEM, OUR SOURCE WATER IS FOR THE FOR OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM IS THAT MIXTURE OF A WATER AUTHORITY.
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THEY HAVE A PLANT CAPACITY OF NINETY SIX MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.HOWEVER, THEIR PERMIT TO WITHDRAW WATER FROM LAKE CHESSON, THERE'S ONLY EIGHTY SIX MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AND FURTHER, OUR OUR ALLOCATION THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO RECEIVE BY AGREEMENT WITH THE AUTHORITY IS WE ARE ALLOWED TO RECEIVE ABOUT TWO POINT SEVEN MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY IS TWO POINT SEVEN MILLION GALLONS.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SOME TRANSMISSION LIMITATIONS, AND THAT IS THAT SINGLE PIPE, THAT'S A 16 INCH LINE, IT COMES ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AND THE PUMP STATION THAT WE HAVE JUST MENTIONED THAT THE INTERSECTION OF MIDDLE ROAD AND JEFFERSON PARK, IT HAS ONLY THE CAPACITY TO DRAW ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE TO ONE POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THAT'S BASED ON HOW LONG THIS PUMPS WOULD RUN.
SO IF WE WERE RUN IT FOR 12 HOURS, WE GET ONE MILLION.
IF WE RUN IT FOR 18 HOURS, WE GET ONE POINT FIVE.
SO ALL DEPENDS ON HOW LONG WE RUN THOSE PUMPS.
THERE ARE SOME, AGAIN, FURTHER LIMITATIONS, MEANING WHEN? HOW LONG CAN WE COULD WE RUN IT FOR? TWENTY FOUR HOURS? THE ANSWER IS YES.
HOWEVER, WE STILL MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET A BIG DRAW FROM OTTAWA, WHILE OTHERS ARE ALSO DRAWING FROM THAT SAME TRANSMISSION MEAN MAINLY CHESTERFIELD, WHO HAS A VERY BIG DRAW ALONG THAT SAME AREA.
SO WE'RE ALL PULLING CHESTERFIELD IN COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
PETERSBURG, ALL PART OF THE WATER AUTHORITY, ARE DRAWING FROM THAT SAME TRANSMISSION.
MEAN THAT MAY NOT BE HERE IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S COMING THROUGH CHESTERFIELD AND COLONIAL HEIGHTS. SO WHILE THEY'RE DRAWING WATER, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT MORE DEMAND THAN WHAT WE HAVE OR WE ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN CAPACITY WE CAN DRAW WHILE THEY ARE DRAWING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE ARE INTENDING TO SAY OUR CAPACITY AT THIS TIME THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET FROM OTTAWA IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE TO ONE POINT FIVE M G D.
NOW, WHEN YOU GET INTO OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM, SPECIFICALLY AGAIN, WE KNOW THE COLONIAL HEIGHTS TANK IS WHERE WE'RE PULLING WATER FROM.
SO AS I MENTIONED, THE TRANSMISSION MAIN COMES THROUGH COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
COLONIAL HEIGHTS HAS A TANK RIGHT THERE AT THE SOUTH PARK MALL AREA, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TEMPLE AVENUE BRIDGE.
FROM THERE, WE HAVE THAT 16 INCH MAIN THAT COMES INTO THE COUNTY AND THAT, AS I MENTIONED, GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE MIDDLE ROAD BOOSTER STATION.
AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME EIGHT INCH AND 16 INCH MAINS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, BUT MOST OF THOSE ARE DISTRIBUTION MAINS.
KNOTT TRANSMISSION MEANS WE DO HAVE TWO POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS OF STORAGE NOW IN OUR IN OUR CENTRAL SYSTEM.
THAT INCLUDES ALL OF OUR ELEVATED TANKS AND NOW THE FOOD LINE ABOVEGROUND STORAGE TANK.
SO THOSE THOSE THREE, THOSE FOUR TANKS PROVIDE US A LOT OF OF STORAGE CAPACITY, BUT WE'RE STILL NOT GETTING ANY.
IF YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY TWO POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS OF STORAGE CAPACITY, BUT OUR PRODUCTION CAPACITY OR PLANT CAPACITY IS ONLY ONE POINT FIVE.
SO JUST TO DIG IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS WE WERE GETTING THIS THIS THIS PAGE IS JUST REALLY KIND OF DIGS IN AS TO HOW WE'RE BEING LIMITED.
THE MIDDLE ROAD BOOSTER STATION IS DRAWING WATER THROUGH ESSENTIALLY SUCTION THOSE WHEN THE PUMPS TURN ON AT THE MIDDLE OF A BOOSTER STATION, IT IS PULLING WATER OR SUCKING WATER FROM THAT COLONIAL HEIGHTS TANK, AND IT'S PULLING IT THROUGH.
IT SAYS SOMETHING. SO ON THAT SUCTION SIDE OF THE BOOSTER STATION, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A LOWER PRESSURE ZONE.
SO WHILE IT'S SUCKING WATER, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DROP IN PRESSURES IN THOSE AREAS.
SO THAT'S THE ENTIRE PUDDLE DOCK ROAD AREA, RIVER ROAD AREA, EVEN UP BY THE INTERSECTION AROUND THIRTY SIX TO OAKLAND BOULEVARD IN JEFFERSON PARK INTERSECTIONS.
SO THOSE WOULD SEE TYPICALLY SOME SMALLER PRESSURES BECAUSE WE'RE PULLING WATER INTO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BOOSTER STATION AND PUMPING UP INTO OUR TANKS.
SO THE REMAINDER OF THAT SERVICE AREA AFTER THE BOOSTER STATION IS IS WHAT WE CALL THE THE THE DIFFERENT, THE HIGHER PRESSURE ZONE, IF YOU WILL.
AND THAT HAS WHERE WE HAVE THE THREE OF THE BOOSTER STATION HAS THREE PUMPS INSIDE OF IT AND IT CAN WE CAN RUN THOSE TWO AT A TIME.
THERE ARE ALL THREE ARE RATED A THOUSAND GALLONS PER MINUTE.
IF YOU DO RUN TWO AT A TIME, WE'RE STILL ONLY REALLY GETTING THE THOUSAND GALLONS PER MINUTE. AND AGAIN, THAT'S DUE PRIMARILY TO THE LIMITATIONS OF THAT PIPELINE.
IF THE PIPELINE WAS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND WE RAN TWO PUMPS AT THE SAME TIME, WE MAY BE ABLE TO DRAW MORE THAN THE THOUSAND GALLONS PER MINUTE.
WE JUST FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MULTIPLE DRAWS OR WOULD YOU JUST DISCUSS TWO PUMPS VERSUS ONE PUMP? IS IT ANY TIME PUTTING ANY OF THESE PUMPS IN THE CAPITAL STATE OR PUTTING IT ON A BORDERLINE OF A CAPITATED STATE?
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IT COULD. IF WE START PULLING THE SUCTION DOWN BELOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT ON THAT SUCTION SIDE, THEN YOU COULD BE DRAWING SOME AIR THROUGH THERE, WHICH WE NEVER TRY TO DO.AND ANY TIME WE TURN ON TWO PUMPS AT ONE TIME, WE'RE VERY CLOSELY MONITORING THE PRESSURES TO ENSURE THAT THAT PRESSURE DOES NOT DROP TOO LOW.
AND I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THEY CAN DO DAMAGE TO THE PUMP.
ABSOLUTELY. CAVITATION IS THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO A PUMP.
OKAY, THANK YOU. WHAT IS THAT? SO CAVITATION IS ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU START GETTING SOME AIR INTRUSION INTO A PUMP, THEY CAN CREATE LITTLE BUBBLES THAT ESSENTIALLY EXPLODE INSIDE, AND THAT LITTLE BIT OF IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOTHING, BUT THEY CREATES A TON OF PRESSURE ON THE INSIDE OF THE FLUTE OF THE OF THE PUMP. AND IT JUST DOES TREMENDOUS DAMAGE WHEN YOU TAKE SOME OF THESE APART.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE EXPLOSIONS ARE TAKING PLACE INSIDE AND EVENTUALLY THE PUMPS IS JUST GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE CREATING MORE SPACE IN THERE AND THE PILLARS ARE LOSING THE ABILITY TO KEEP SUCTION AND KEEP PRESSURE.
SO IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A SKIP.
IT'S WELL, IT'S PULLING AIR THROUGH AND THAT IT'S WHEN YOU PULLING AIR.
IT CREATES A LOT OF ISSUES AND YOU NEVER REALLY WANT TO PULL THE SAME THING WITH A WELL, PUMP. WHEN YOU START PULLING AIR, YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE, AND IT CAN TRANSMIT VIBRATION INTO THE BEARINGS, WHICH CAN ALSO DO DAMAGE TO THE BEARINGS ON A POWER. SO, YEAH, IT CAN BE PRETTY DESTRUCTIVE.
PRETTY COSTLY TO. DON'T YOU? SO I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT DUE TO THE LOCATION, WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LOW PRESSURE AREA AND THAT THE SIZE AND THE LOCATION THAT MAIN DOES LIMIT US TO BE ABLE TO DRAW NO MORE THAN A TWO MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE ABILITY.
AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER LIMITATION.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRAW TWO MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, BUT WE CAN ONLY GET UP TO THAT ONE TO ONE POINT FIVE DUE TO THOSE LIMITATIONS.
SO WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
SHOULD WE BE ABLE TO, LET'S SAY WE INCREASE THE SIZE OF OUR TRANSMISSION MAIN OR REMOVE OUR BOOSTER STATION, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DRAW EVEN MORE.
SO WE DO HAVE PLANS AND TO BUILD A TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION SOMEWHERE NEAR THE RIVER ROAD AREA, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ADD MORE STORAGE.
AND THAT PUT US IN A POSITION TO WHERE WE CAN PUMP MORE INTO THE COUNTY AT ANY GIVEN TIME, BUT ALSO INCREASE THE PRESSURE, ESSENTIALLY REMOVING THAT LOW PRESSURE ZONE OUT MUCH FURTHER AND CLOSER TOWARDS COLONIAL HEIGHTS.
BUT WITH ONLY ONE TO ONE POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BRING, WE STILL ARE LEAVING ON THE TABLE AT ONE POINT TWO TO ONE POINT SEVEN THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US TOMORROW. SO THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE.
WE CAN PULL IT IF WE HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO DO SO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN WHERE WE HAVE COME AND REQUEST IN THE PAST. SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE PUT FORWARD IS TO BUILD THAT TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION. UM.
AT THE VERY TOP OF THE SLIDE, I'LL COME BACK TO THOSE SOLUTIONS IN JUST A MINUTE.
YOU CAN SEE I'VE ASKED OUR CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE US AN UPDATE TO OUR MODEL.
NOW, THE LAST TIME WE DID A SIGNIFICANT MODEL RUN, WE SHOWED OUR WATER CAPACITY TO THE SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK TO HAVE AN AVAILABILITY OF ABOUT 300000 GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, SINCE THEN, WE'VE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS, AND THEY HAVE PLANS TO MAKE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS AND YOU CAN ADD UP THOSE AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VERY, VERY SOON.
THAT ADDS ROUGHLY EIGHTY ONE THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY.
WE'VE GOT PLANS TO EXTEND WATER TO ROUTE 10 TO SERVE JORDAN ON THE JAMES AND BEACHWOOD MANNER, AND VERY SOON THE CHAPEL CREEK IS NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YOU HAD THOSE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER, IT'S ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SMALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES HAVE ALSO BEEN ADDED, AS WELL AS OAK SHADES MOBILE HOME PARK.
SO WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE ARE IN SIGNIFICANT.
I'M LOOKING FOR NEED, WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF MORE CAPACITY FOR THE BUSINESS PARK AND RAIL FOR 60 CORRIDOR SERVICE CENTER METALS IS ON THIS LIST.
THEY HAVE A REQUEST TO COME IN AT ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND GALLONS PER DAY, SO THAT'S IT HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE ACTUAL NUMBER THERE ARE GOING TO BE REQUESTING.
SO WE WE HAVE SOME NEEDS, OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO START WORKING TOWARDS MEETING THOSE NEEDS AND AGAIN, TEMPLE AVENUE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION COULD HELP US INCREASE OUR CAPACITIES.
ALONG WITH WITH THAT, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL WATER LINES TO GET TO THE PARK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SUPPLY ALL THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PULL FROM OUR CAN
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ACTUALLY GET TO THE PARK.SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE SOLUTION.
AND IN THE PAST, WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT CONNECTING TO VIRGINIA AMERICAN WATER ALONG PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE, WHERE WE WOULD BUILD AGAIN ANOTHER TANK AND BOOSTER STATION.
AND THE KEY THING THERE IS THAT DOES PROVIDE US REDUNDANT WATER SOURCE.
SO IF WE EVER DO LOSE THE WATER COMING FROM OIL, WE STILL HAVE WATER COMING INTO THE COUNTY FROM A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO BRING ANOTHER MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
AND BOTH OF THOSE SOLUTIONS WERE INTRODUCED IN THE SOUTH POINT UTILITY STUDY.
BACK IN, I BELIEVE, WAS TWENTY EIGHTEEN.
THAT WAS IT WAS STARTED, WHICH WAS INTRODUCED WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, SO THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE PART OF THAT PLAN AND CAN BE IMPLEMENTED AT ANY TIME.
WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT LAND ACQUISITION, DOING THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND GETTING THOSE MOVING FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN SEE MORE.
SO WE DON'T START TURNING AWAY MORE FOLKS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY TURNING AWAY FROM THE BUSINESS PARK. ARE WE NOT ALREADY LOOKING AT? ARE WE NOT ALREADY LOOKING AT LAND ACQUISITION? YES, SIR. YES.
YES, SIR, AND WE RAN INTO SOME ROADBLOCKS, WE STARTED DOING SOME, SOME DESIGN THERE, AND THE ROADBLOCK WAS THE LAND THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO OBTAIN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF PUT THAT ON HOLD UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO FIND ANOTHER SUITABLE LAND LAND SPOTS WHERE WE CAN FINISH THE DESIGN.
OK. AND IF I'M IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY BASED ON WHAT YOU DESCRIBED EARLIER, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRODUCTION AND CAPACITY, BOTH OF THESE SOLUTIONS I SEE WHERE IT SAYS WOULD INCREASE CAPACITY GIVING.
THAT'S TO ME STORAGE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT SAYING WE WOULD BE ADDING MORE INTO PRODUCTION, MAKING IT AVAILABLE FOR BUSINESSES.
AM I IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? AND BOTH OF THESE SOLUTIONS WOULD ADD MORE STORAGE AND MORE PRODUCTION.
OK, SO THAT'S THAT'S KEY AND A GREAT QUESTION, BECAUSE ONCE WE CONNECT TO VARGO AMERICAN WATER, IT'S A NEW WATER SOURCE THAT WE'RE PULLING FROM WILL BE ADDING WATER INTO THE COUNTY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE PUT A NEW TANK THERE THAT PROVIDES US MORE STORAGE.
SO THAT IS ADDING MORE STORAGE, BUT IT'S ALSO ADDING PRODUCTION.
SO THAT IS ADDING MORE FLOW THAT WE CAN SEND INTO THE BUSINESS PART AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, RIGHT? SAME THING WITH WITH TEMPLE HAVING A TANK AND BOOSTER STATION, IT IS ADDING MORE STORAGE, BUT THAT ADDING THAT STORAGE ALLOWS US TO POOL MORE FROM AURORA SO THAT ONE POINT TWO TO ONE POINT SEVEN THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO POOL RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET MORE FROM THEM, RIGHT? I THINK THIS HELPS ME OUT BECAUSE WHEN I SEE LIKE ON THE LIST, WHEN WE'RE RANKING THINGS AND WE HAVE ALL OF THESE PROJECTS BREAKING THEM INTO, I SEE THESE AS BEING A LACK OF A BETTER WAY, THE SHORT TERM, WHAT THINGS THAT HELP US IN THE INTERIM, I SAY IN THE INTERIM, BUT IN A SHORTER WINDOW, THEN THE WASTE TREATMENT OPTION IN THE WATER PLANT, BECAUSE PART OF THIS CAME UP WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE STATUS MEETING AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT'S INTERESTED IN PRINCE GEORGE, BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY. AND THAT KIND OF WAS MY FEAR.
THAT WAS LIKE THE BIGGEST FEAR THAT WAS COMING TRUE WAS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET US TO THAT FOUR OR FIVE YEAR OR WOULDN'T COME TO FRUITION UNTIL ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. BUT WHAT ABOUT IN IN BETWEEN? WHAT ABOUT NOW? WE CAN'T PUT A WORK CLOSED SIGN ON THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JUST FROM LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS IN WHICH YOU PROJECTED HERE YOU'RE TWO TO THREE, TWO TO THREE YEARS OUT.
IF WE SAY GO RIGHT TODAY, CORRECT? TRUE. I MEAN, TO FINISH THE DESIGN ON TOP OF HAVING THE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION AND CONSTRUCT IT, YOU'RE PROBABLY TWO YEARS AWAY AND THAT'S ASSUMING WE GET LAND ACQUISITION REALLY QUICK. I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT THREE TO SIX MONTHS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL GET TO A POINT OF THAT CRAWL WALK RUN.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO CRAWL ALONG SO THAT WE CAN EVENTUALLY WALK, WHICH IS THAT TWO YEAR AND THE RUN WOULD BE THAT FOUR OR FIVE YEAR MARK WHERE THE FINAL SOLUTION OF A WATER PLANT OR HOPEWELL OR THE WASTE TREATMENT, OR WHATEVER.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP US OUT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO TURN BUSINESS AWAY? AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANSWERED NOW, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT HELPS US TO GET TO EACH POINT.
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I'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER OR SIP KIND OF ADDRESSES THAT A LITTLE BIT.BUT WE CAN KIND OF REALLY SPELL THAT OUT FOR YOU WHERE WE'RE HEADING SO WE CAN GET TO SHOW OUR FUTURE MILESTONES BEING MET.
AND I THINK ON THE SIP, IF IT WAS IF IT SAID SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN TWO YEARS, HERE'S THE THINGS, THEN HERE'S THE MIT MIDTERM THINGS.
HERE'S THE LONG TERM THINGS, BECAUSE ONE THING I WOULD HATE TO SEE US DO IS TO BE RANKING STUFF AND NOT REALLY KNOWING WHEN IS IT COMING TO FRUITION? I THINK THEY OUGHT TO HAVE SOME ESTIMATED TIMELINES, JUST LIKE YOU'D RUN A REGULAR PROJECT. YEAH, THIS THING IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH.
IT NEEDS TO BE TRACKED PRETTY TIGHT.
THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE JUST SOME VISUALS, AND SOME OF THESE ARE OUT OF THE SOUTH POINT UTILITY STUDY. SOME OF THEM ARE OUT OF OUR MASTER PLAN.
AND JUST TO KIND OF SHOW OR GIVE YOU A VISUAL WHERE THIS WOULD OCCUR TO THE VERY TOP LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE INCREASE HORRIBLE CAPACITY.
WHEN WE MAKE OUR CONNECTION, WE'D BE ABLE TO DRAW MORE FROM THERE.
MY PREFERENCE IT WOULD BE TO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT OPTIONS TO PROTECT OUR ARE REALLY OUR KEY ASSET IS THAT 16 INCH LINE COMING ACROSS.
WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT PIPELINE.
AND I'M LOOKING AT POSSIBLY PUTTING THAT PIPELINE UNDERNEATH THE RIVER TO BETTER PROTECT IT. AND THAT WAY WE ARE SECURING ALL THAT WATER COMES THROUGH THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVELY WHEN WHEN WE DO THAT, I WOULD OBVIOUSLY WANT TO INCREASE THAT SIZE TO A TWENTY FOUR INCH PIPE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN GET ALL THE CAPACITY WE NEED COMING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE OR UNDER THE RIVER MR..
OF COURSE, IF WE'RE IN REFERENCE TO THIS IN THE ONE ON BRANDEE BRIDGE.
SO THIS WOULD TAKE THE PLACE OF MARINA'S BRIDGE.
THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE THE BRANDIES BRIDGE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD IS ACTUALLY LOCATED.
I BELIEVE IT'S IN COLONIAL HEIGHTS, COLONIAL HEIGHTS WHERE ALL THE DISCUSSION AND THE CONCERN AND MONEY WE SPEND ON THE THROTTLE AND VALVE THAT WE COULDN'T GET.
SO I MEAN, WITHOUT ALLEVIATE THAT SO THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD ALLEVIATE ANY NEEDS FOR THAT. THIS WOULD ELIMINATE BRANDON'S BRIDGE.
ESSENTIALLY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE AREN'T ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY DRAW 24 HOURS A DAY BECAUSE OF CHESTERFIELD ALSO DRAWN AT THE SAME TIME.
WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE FULL DEMAND, SO THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT NEED.
BUT HERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S HARD TO SEE BUT RIVER'S ROADS AT THE TOP THERE, WHERE HE SAYS FORT LEE. THAT'S WHERE WE HAD PROJECTED WHERE THE NEW BOOSTER STATION AND TANK WOULD GO SOMEWHERE IN THAT VICINITY.
AND THEN WE WOULD FROM THERE HAD TO BUILD A PIPELINE, EITHER INCREASE THE PIPELINES WE HAVE OR JUST BUILD A REDUNDANT PIPELINE DOWN TO THE BUSINESS PARK TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN GET THE FULL TWO MGD AVAILABLE FOR THE FUTURE OUT THERE.
WE WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BUILD A PIPELINE RIGHT AWAY TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITIES THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM R-VA.
SO WE WANT EVENTUALLY TO MGD TO THE PARK ALONE.
BUILDING THE TANK AND BOOSTER STATION ALLOWS US TO GET MORE WATER AND STILL PUMP MORE WHAT WE GET BIGGER PUMPS SO WE CAN PUMP IT FASTER AND AT A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME TO SUPPLY THE WATER TO THAT AREA.
SO WE WOULD GET ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD GO FROM ONE ONE POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS PER DAY TO ALMOST TWO TWO POINT FIVE MILLION GALLONS A DAY, JUST BY ADDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S ALMOST FORTY FOUR FORTY FIVE THOUSAND LINEAR FEET OF TWENTY FOUR INCH PIPE.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PIPE.
SEVEN TO EIGHT MILES. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ALSO HERE ON THE WHAT YOU SEE IN RED IS THE FUTURE WATER PLANT UP THERE NEAR THE APPOMATTOX RIVER, COMING FROM THE NORTH SIDE THERE AND ESSENTIALLY SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THE THE NEEDS ARE BOTH WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ELIMINATE.
WE WOULD NEVER ELIMINATE OUR FEED COME FROM AURORA.
THAT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE USED.
IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN PLACE.
BUT WE EVER DO BUILD A PLANT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT AS A EMERGENCY OPTION.
WE'D ALWAYS LEAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO US.
THIS ONE JUST KIND OF SHOWS ON THE TOP RIGHT WHERE THE AMERICAN WATER SUPPLY CONNECTION WOULD TAKE PLACE NEAR NEAR HOPEWELL, AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE INTERSECTION NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF SANDY RIDGE ROAD AND PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE, WE WOULD NEED A TANK AND BOOSTER STATION THERE, AND THEN WE CAN PULL ESSENTIALLY ANOTHER MILLION GALLONS A DAY INTO THE COUNTY FROM VIRGINIA AMERICAN WATER AND GET THAT INTO THE PLANT AND TO THE BUSINESS PARK. AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE MORE CLOSE UP OF THAT, SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT WOULD OCCUR.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS WAS FROM THE MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR AND THAT 12 INCH WATER LINE SUPPLY LOOP IS WHAT'S GOING IN THE GROUND RIGHT NOW ALONG PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO. PINE RICH MOBILE HOME PARK.
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SO I GOT A QUESTION, MR..YEAH, GO AHEAD, SIR. WHAT IS WITH THE BUSINESSES WE'VE BEEN TURNING AWAY VENDORS PARK.
I'M SPEAKING BIG BUSINESS PARK NOW.
WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED GALLONS ON AN AVERAGE THAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR? IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE MEDIAN BETWEEN A HIGH AND LOW.
RIGHT. WELL, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED, WE DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN TURNED AWAY.
I'VE BEEN REQUESTING MORE THAN 300000 GALLONS.
THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS OUR CAPACITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING STEADY AROUND 300000 GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE. SO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT IS WHAT'S BEEN TURNED AWAY AND WE'VE HAD SOME REQUESTING FIVE HUNDRED AND THREE HUNDRED JUST RECENTLY.
WE HAVE SOME NOW COMING IN THAT ARE REQUESTING ANYWHERE BETWEEN FIFTEEN THOUSAND TO ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND WITH SERVICE CENTER METALS AND SOME OF THEM BASED ON WHO COMES IN. MAY HAVE TO BE TURNED AWAY UNTIL WE GET ANOTHER SOURCE OR ANOTHER PROJECT COMPLETED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION, MR. HOLCOMB, BECAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THAT BUSINESS PARK, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WORST CASE, WHICH A BOTTLING PLANT WOULD BE ABOUT 800000 GALLONS A DAY. HE SAYS WE'RE CHESTERFIELDS SUPPLY OVER THERE SO EVERYTHING CAN BE SIZED PROPERLY. MM HMM.
AND I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW.
ABSOLUTELY. PLAN FOR THE FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE FOLKS LIKE THAT THAT APPROACH US, ARE WE ALSO TRYING TO GET A TIME FRAME? I MEAN, IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING IN PRINCE GEORGE AND IT WAS A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW THAT IT GIVES US SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OTHER OPTION IF IT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO IN TWO YEARS.
I. IT'S KIND OF A LOADED QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M SURE IF THEY WERE GOING TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THEY'D WANT SOME TYPE OF COMMITMENT TO MAKE SURE IT'S GOING TO BE THERE WHEN THEY BUILD. OH, I WOULD THINK SO TOO.
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE PEOPLE? I MEAN, WE DO A LOT OF STUFF TODAY THAT WE WE GIVE AN APPROVAL AND A NODS UP AND SAY, GO FOR IT. AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A YEAR AND A HALF OR DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE IT REALLY COMES TRUE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OUT THERE.
WE HAVE TO SPEC BUILDINGS SITTING THERE READY FOR SOMEBODY OCCUPY, AND THEY WOULD WANT TO TO PROBABLY BE HERE WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, CORRECT? OF SIGNING SOME PAPERWORK, GETTING INCENTIVES IN PLACE AND THEY'RE READY TO OPEN, AT LEAST START DOING WHATEVER THEY NEED TO THAT BUILDING AND INVESTING MONEY IN THE COUNTY.
SO. THEN YOU HAVE OTHERS THAT WOULD TYPICALLY TAKE TWO YEARS OR THEIR INITIAL DRAW MAY BE 100000 GALLONS PER DAY, BUT ULTIMATELY TWO OR FIVE YEARS IT COULD BE 300000 GALLONS FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCENARIOS WE CAN RUN THROUGH.
BUT ULTIMATELY, YES, I MEAN, WE DO TRY TO ASK THAT QUESTION AND WE ARE GOING TO BE ASKING THAT QUESTION HERE VERY SHORTLY TO SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE REQUESTING WATER.
WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE? YES, WE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO PROVIDE YOU WATER.
BUT AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO THEY ALL HAVE TO MEASURE THAT RISK.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IT DONE IN TIME? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T LIKE TO PUT.
WE DON'T LIKE TO PUT DEVELOPERS OR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO INVEST IN COUNTY IN THAT POSITION.
WE SHOULD BE IN A POSITION TO SAY YES OR NO, AND THE ANSWER SHOULD TYPICALLY BE YES.
AND I JUST ASK BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE A GROUP OVER IN THE BUSINESS PARK THAT ARE DOING A LOT TO GET BUILDINGS READY FOR PEOPLE.
AND IF THEY GO THROUGH ALL THAT EFFORT AND WE CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITMENT, THEN IT'S LIKE THE LEFT HAND IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE RIGHT HAND. SO IT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT. VERY GOOD.
BUT I WAS GOING TO VERY BRIEFLY TOUCH ON WASTEWATER, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WASTEWATER FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ANOTHER RUNDOWN ON THE CAPACITY THAT WE'RE FACING OUT THERE.
THE BUSINESS PARK IS SERVED BY TWO PUMP STATIONS, AND THEY BOTH ARE DISCHARGED INTO A COMMON FORCE MACHINE THAT RUNS OUT TO BULL HILL AND EVENTUALLY DISCHARGES INTO THAT 12 INCH GRAVITY SEWER ALONG RAIL FOR 60.
THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TWO POINT NINETY FIVE RAV4 60 INTERCEPT, EXCUSE ME, THE RAV4 60 COURTHOUSE ROAD INTERSECTION IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.
THAT 12 INCH GRABBY LINE IS THE ONE THAT'S AT NEAR CAPACITY.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD WE DO IN LIEU OR SAY, A QUICKER TIME FRAME IF SOMEBODY CAME IN RIGHT NOW AND SAID, I'M GOING TO BUILD IN A YEAR OR TWO? COULD WE BE READY IN LIEU OF BUILDING A NEW PUMP STATION AND FORCE MAINE OR THE
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WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH COULD TAKE THREE TO FOUR YEARS TO GET DONE? I LOOKED AT THAT OPTION. IT HAS NOT BEEN ANALYZED YET BY ANY ANYBODY OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT THEY ANALYZED IT AND WALKED AWAY FROM IT BASED ON SOME FUTURE INVESTMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, WHICH WOULD BE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL.SO I TRY TO KEEP WHATEVER WE WOULD DO BELOW HAVING TO DO ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF PETERSBURG RIGHT NOW THAT LIMITS US TO A MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF SEWER THAT WE CAN SEND THROUGH THEIR PUMP STATION THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT THERE.
THEY'RE OUT FOR 60 AND COURTHOUSE ROAD INTERSECTION.
WE ARE CURRENTLY SENDING THEM A ROUGHLY 600000 GALLONS PER DAY, SO WE HAVE ABOUT 400000 GALLONS PER DAY AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN DO AND IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE BUSINESS PARK EITHER THE FORCE MAINE OR THAT GRAVITY SEWER TO BE ABLE TO SEND A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE WE ARE CONSTRICTED.
WE PRETTY MUCH ARE AT CAPACITY BECAUSE OF THAT 12 INCH GRAVITY SEWER.
WE COULD REPLACE THAT RELOCATE OR ADD A NEW PIPE TO ALLOW US ADDITIONAL CAPACITY AT LEAST UP TO 400 GALLONS PER DAY TO GET TO THAT SAME PUMP STATION BY REPLACING ESSENTIALLY, I BELIEVE, WAS A MILE AND A HALF OF THAT 12 INCH GRAVY LINE.
SO WE CAN EITHER INCREASE IT TO A TWENTY ONE OR TWENTY FOUR INCH GRAVY LINE OR PUT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, LONG PARALLEL WITH IT.
I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD WANT TO REPLACE IT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE EXISTING ONE IS PAST ITS USEFUL LIFE. AND THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE YOU CAN DO WITH THAT PIPE OTHER THAN HOPEFULLY ABANDON IT IN PLACE OR PUT SOME FLUID WILL FILL IN AND LET IT BE.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE PIPE WAS AND IF IT HAD BEEN SCOPED, IT'S BEEN SCOPED AND EVERY TIME WE TRY TO DO A CONNECTION TO IT ESSENTIALLY JUST FIZZLES APART. IT'S AN OLD CONCRETE PIPE THAT IT'S BEEN IN THE GROUND FOR WELL OVER 40 TO 50 YEARS. IT'S SEEN ITS DAY AND IT'S READY TO RETIRE.
SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. WE STARTED INCREASING THE FLOW TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE IT.
WHAT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR A BLOWUP? OR BLOW OUT. THAT POTENTIAL EXISTS ALMOST DAILY, WE BEING AT CAPACITY AND HAVING ANYTHING HAPPEN ON THAT PIPELINE COULD BE A CONSIDERABLE.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD THAT ISSUE OCCURRED NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE WE HAD A CAVE IN OF THAT PIPE RIGHT NEAR 7-ELEVEN AND WE HAD AN EMERGENCY REPAIR DONE.
IT TOOK US A DAY TO GET IT DONE, BUT IT WAS DONE WITHIN A DAY.
AND NOT ONLY IS THERE A POINT FOR CLARIFICATION, SIR, IT MAY NOT BE TRYING TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY AS MUCH AS MAKING SURE WE GET THE RIGHT PIPE IN THE GROUND, SO WE INCREASE IT.
WE DON'T SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GOING TO IMPACT A BIT AS IN THE COLLECTORS THAT ARE FEEDING TO IT.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T SCOPED THIS OUT YET, BUT IF WE IF WE WENT ALONG THAT ROUTE OF REPLACING THAT 12 INCH PIPE TO SOME LARGER PIPE, WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HIGH LEVEL? I'M NOT SO AT THE VERY END OF THIS.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE IT, I'LL WAIT.
OH, WELL, YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT ON.
I MEANT TO. IF I DID THAT BY ACTUALLY AT THE VERY LAST LINE HERE, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY COST ESTIMATES.
SO I PUT A WHAT I CAN CALL A CONSERVATIVE BUDGET NUMBER UP THERE OF SIX MILLION, SIX MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT GETS YOU ONLY 400000 GALLONS PER DAY.
MM HMM. KEEP IN MIND FOR ABOUT $10 MILLION, YOU'RE GETTING OVER TWO MILLION TO SIX MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WITH WHATEVER WITH THE PUMP STATION OPTION FOUR AND THE HOPEWELL.
AT THE PUMP STATION FORCE MAIN OPTION TO HOPEWELL, SO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AND GET VERY LITTLE.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
EXACTLY. SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IN THE SOUTH POINT UTILITY STUDY, THEY RECOMMENDED NOT GOING THIS DIRECTION IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK HERE.
LET'S LOOK OVER HERE. SO THAT'S WHY THEY DISCARDED THIS OPTION.
HOWEVER, IF THE NEED ARISE ARISES AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE, I BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE IT DESIGNED AND BUILT IN TWO YEARS.
SO IF WE HAD A CUSTOMER COME IN OR PROSPECT, COME IN WANTING TO BUILD IN THE PARK AND IT TAKES THEM TWO YEARS TO BUILD, WE WOULD TRY TO WORK WITH THAT TIME FRAME AND GET THAT COMPLETED. OK.
YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, SIX MILLION DOLLARS FOR FOUR HUNDRED.
NOW, SOMETHING TELLS ME WE'RE GOING TO END UP REPLACING SOMETHING AT SOME POINT BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE CURRENT PIPE, THOUGH FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
WELL, WE WILL BE DOING SOME REPAIRS THERE FROM TIME, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE WHOLE LENGTH OF PIPE THAT AGAIN, IT'S A MILE AND A HALF LENGTH OF PIPE.
AND IF SOMETHING OCCURS, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO PATCH REPAIR FOR THE TIME BEING IN HOPES OF
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EVENTUALLY DECOMMISSIONING THAT LINE IN THE NEAR FUTURE OF THE DISTANT FUTURE.MM HMM. BUT AGAIN, THAT SIX MILLION IS NOT JUST THAT PIPELINE THAT IS ALSO INCLUDING ANY POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED TO CONVEY THE ADDITIONAL SEWER COMING FROM THE BUSINESS PARK THROUGH THOSE TWO PUMP STATIONS.
SO THOSE TWO PUMP STATIONS NEED UPGRADES TO CONVEY THE ADDITIONAL SEWER, WHICH I'M BELIEVE IT WOULD NEED SOME EITHER AN INCREASED PUMPS OR AT LEAST NEW EMPLOYERS.
AND IT MAY EVEN NEED A NEW FORCE MAIN TO CONVEY THE AMOUNT AN ADDITIONAL 400000 GALLONS PER DAY. SO ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
YOU COULD HAVE TO UPGRADE ONE PUMP STATION OR BOTH, OR IF IT'S CONNECTED TO RALPH, WHERE SIXTIES GRADE SEWER, YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO DO ANY.
SO I KNOW THERE'S SOME INTEREST ALONG FOR 60 AND SOME OTHER AREAS AS WELL THAT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY CONNECTED TO THOSE TWO PUMP STATIONS.
HAD MR. HALTOM VE HAD A MAJOR FAILURE.
IS THERE A WAY TO DIVERT? OR YOU JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GET IT FIXED.
UM, WE WOULDN'T BE DEAD IN THE WATER ANY TIME WE HAVE A MAJOR SEWER BREAK, WE DO HAVE BYPASS PUMPS AVAILABLE TO US AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, WE WOULD RENT THEM FROM AVAILABLE VEGETABLES HERE IN THE AREA, SO WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE FLOWS WOULD CONTINUE. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY NEED SOME LANE CLOSURES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO ALONG RAV4 60 IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE IN.
BUT WE'RE TALKING. IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT FEAT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE BYPASS PUMPS AND GO AROUND THE INTERSTATE, ESSENTIALLY.
YOU GO. WELL, THAT WAS MY PRESENTATION.
THIS IS THE MAP JUST REALLY QUICKLY TO SHOW YOU THE LOCATION OF THE PUMP STATION, AS YOU SEE THERE IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, THAT RALPH 60 PUMP STATION AND THEN THAT GREEN LINE IS THE LINES THAT WE NEED TO HAVE REPLACED UP TOWARDS FROM THAT PUMP STATION DOWN TO BOARD HILL. THE BLACK DASHED LINES, OR THE FORCE, MEANS THAT LEAD ALL THE WAY BACK UP INTO THE BUSINESS PARK TO THE TWO PUMP STATIONS THAT SERVE THE PARK.
YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR O OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU. MS. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SOLAR FARMS FOR A WHILE, AND I THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR JULIE WALTON AND HER STAFF TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON ANY APPLICATIONS AND AND EVEN THE CURRENT ONES THAT ARE THAT ARE IN PLACE.
AND WITH THE PROPER TIME, YOU MAY WANT TO INTRODUCE YOUR NEW THANK YOU.
WELL, ARE YOU THERE? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MR. ASHCRAFT. GOOD EVENING.
IF I IF I MAY INDULGE THE BOARD TIME FOR A MINUTE, MR. ANDRE GREEN IS HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING AND HE HAS RECENTLY BEEN HIRED AS THE COUNTY'S PLANNER TO IN MY DEPARTMENT, AND WE ARE SO GLAD THAT HE HAS STARTED THIS WEEK.
ANDRE, IF YOU WOULD, ANDRE COMES FROM US FROM HIS PREVIOUS POSITION WAS AS PLANNING DIRECTOR IN SUSSEX COUNTY.
HE ALSO STARTED HIS CAREER HERE AT PRINCE GEORGE AND WORKED WITH ME 24 YEARS AGO.
OH WOW. SO I HAVE KNOWN ANDRE SINCE THEN AND HAVE ENJOYED A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM THROUGH SUSSEX AND AND THROUGH OUR STATEWIDE WORK.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING HIM HERE AND I HOPE YOU WILL JOIN ME IN WELCOMING HIM.
YEAH, WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU.
WELL, THIS EVENING I WANTED TO SPEND A FEW MINUTES WITH YOU AND UPDATE YOU ON SOME ITEMS RELATED TO OUR SOLAR ENERGY FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY.
I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE HAVE FOUR CURRENTLY APPROVED PROJECTS.
THERE'S THE FORT POWER WHITTEN PROJECT, WHICH IS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MEGAWATT PROJECTS.
THAT IS OUR LARGEST REEVES ROAD, WARWICK AND THE SEABROOK ROAD PROJECT.
ON OUR CURRENT APPROVED ONES, WE HAVE FORT POWER, WHITTEN, REEVES, WORSWICK AND SIEBER, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ACREAGE THERE AT FOUR THOUSAND FIFTY THREE AND PER OUR ADOPTED POLICY
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OR LAND USE DEDICATED TO THIS PARTICULAR USE IS LIMITED TO TWO POINT SEVENTY FOUR PERCENT.SO WE ARE CURRENTLY AT TWO POINT FOUR TWO THAT'S APPROVED.
WARWICK AND SEABROOK HAVE NOT STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET.
ONLY POWER, WHITTEN AND REEVES HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT PROPOSED SOLAR PROJECTS IN THE PAST, AND THIS LIST HAS BEEN LONGER.
IF WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONTACT FROM THE COMPANY AND WITHIN ABOUT 12 MONTHS, WE WENT AHEAD AND DROPPED IT. SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS.
THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON ROUTE 10 AND ONE ON SANDY RIDGE ROAD, AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THOSE PEOPLE IN QUITE SOME TIME.
SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY, THOUGH WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO PRELIMINARY APPLICATIONS ONE FOR POWELL CREEK AND ONE FOR WILLOW HILL.
BOTH THOSE APPLICATIONS CAME IN ON THE 8TH OF THIS MONTH.
THEIR PRELIMINARY APPLICATIONS FOR WHAT IS CALLED A COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECT, A VERY SMALL PROJECT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ACREAGE IS VERY SMALL AND THIS IS A NEW A NEW TYPE OF FACILITY THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND DOMINION POWER HAVE PROPOSED FOR THE STATE, WHERE SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS CAN JOIN A COMMUNITY SOLAR AND THEY GET CREDIT FOR FOR WHAT THEY'RE PRODUCING FOR THE GRID.
BUT THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER PROJECTS.
WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMUNITY, SOLAR ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
BOTH POWELL CREEK AND WILL HILL ARE OFF A JAMES JAMES RIVER DRIVE.
THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS IS KIND OF NEAR THE RICHARD BLAND BIRDSONG AREA.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT TOTAL PROPOSED ACREAGE IS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE, WHICH IS A ZERO POINT ZERO NINE PERCENT.
SO EVEN IF WE ADD UP EVERYTHING TOGETHER, PROPOSED AND APPROVED, WE ARE AT TWO POINT FIVE ONE PERCENT. WE'RE STILL BELOW YOUR DESIRED LIMIT SET BY POLICY.
AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME PHOTOS OF SOME CURRENT PROJECTS STATUSES, THIS IS THE REEVES ROAD SITE.
WE HAVE FINISHED THE LANDSCAPING INSPECTIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS PUT IN PLACE WITH THE RESIDENTS.
WE WORKED WITH THOSE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND HELPED SELECT THE LANDSCAPING AND THE FENCING MATERIAL AND WORKED OUT SOME LANDSCAPING EASEMENTS WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS SO THAT THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS SOME PHOTOS FROM FORT POWER 10, FORT POWER 10 IS IS AGAIN OUR LARGEST PROJECT, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN PHASE ONE OF THAT PROJECT.
THIS IS 3000 PLUS ACRE PROJECT, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PANELS THAT ARE UP SOME OF THE STORMWATER PROTECTION THAT IS IN PLACE.
SO ON OUR CURRENT PROJECT STATUS, AGAIN, THE WORLD WOULD CONSIDER PROJECTS HAVE NOT YET SUBMITTED ANY PLANS OR APPLICATIONS.
THEY HAVE RECEIVED THEIR LAND USE APPROVAL FOR THEIR PROJECTS, BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICATION.
THE SUPER PROJECT APPEARS TO BE WORKING ON SOME STATE APPROVALS AT THIS TIME.
WE'VE RECEIVED SOME NOTIFICATIONS FROM THE STATE THAT THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT STATE PERMITTING PROCESS OF APPROVAL, SO I EXPECT SEABROOK MAY BE STARTING SOON.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S A SMALLER PROJECT.
IT'S ABOUT TWO HUNDRED ACRES TOTAL.
I BELIEVE IT'S 70 ACRES UNDER PANEL, THOUGH.
AND, OF COURSE, OUR TWO SMALLER APPLICATIONS WE JUST RECEIVED.
I WANTED TO ALSO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR RULE OF SOLAR DEVELOPMENT COALITION, AS YOU WERE AWARE, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE COUNTY ENTERED INTO AGREEMENT WITH SEVERAL OTHER LOCALITIES TO HIRE SOME CONSULTANTS TO WORK ON LOBBYING WORK AND TO ASSIST WITH SOLAR FACILITY POLICIES ORDINANCES.
AND THERE'S EIGHT COUNTIES TOGETHER, AND WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY LOBBIED A NUMBER OF BILLS IN FAVOR OF RURAL LOCALITIES.
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AND THESE CONSULTANTS AND THIS GROUP HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND HAVE ACTUALLY HELPED CREATE NEW LAWS AND BILLS AND WRITE NEW LAWS AND BILLS THAT PROTECT SMALLER LOCALITIES THAT I THINK WERE WERE OVERLOOKED IN THE FIRST ROUND OF LEGISLATION THAT CAME OUT CONCERNING GREEN ENERGY PRODUCTION, SOLAR AND WIND FACILITIES.THEY ALSO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE WITH THE PROPERTY VALUE ANALYSIS.
IN FACT, THIS WEEK I RECEIVED ANOTHER STUDY FOR ONE OF THE LOCALITIES AND WE SHARE A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE, AND THE COALITION COORDINATES THAT AND FACILITATES THAT INTERACTION WITH LOCALITIES.
AND WE MEET MONTHLY AND DISCUSS OUR PROJECTS, DISCUSS OUR IDEAS, DISCUSS OUR DIFFICULTIES AND ROADBLOCKS AND AND THINGS THAT AREN'T WORKING FOR US.
AND TO HAVE THAT KIND OF OUTLET HAS BEEN INVALUABLE FOR FOR OUR STAFF.
THEY ALSO PROVIDE EDUCATION AND GUIDANCE TO TO US AND TO OFFICIALS.
WE'VE HAD THEM HERE WITH THEIR THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME ANYTIME TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE AS A COALITION, BUT THEY REVIEW OUR POLICIES.
THEY HELP ME DEVELOP OUR ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND OUR HAVE BEEN REALLY SUPPORTIVE AND HELPFUL, AND THE NETWORKING WITH THE OTHER SEVEN LOCALITIES HAS HAS BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL AS WELL. THE NEXT ITEM I WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT AND MAYBE GET SOME CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD OF DIRECTION IS THE ACU HAS DURING THIS.
THE RECENT SPECIAL SESSION OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ADDED A PROVISION IN THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL LAWS THAT PROVIDES FOR DEKU TO PROVIDE PLAN REVIEW SERVICES TO CERTAIN LOCALITIES FOR SOLAR FACILITIES AND THE I.N.S..
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST.
STRENUOUS PLAN REVIEWS AND DEVELOPMENT OF A SOLAR FACILITY BECAUSE OF THE THE GRADING AND THE CLEARING THAT'S DONE, YOU KNOW, EONS IS RELATED TO RUNOFF, WATER AND THE EFFECT OF ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS THE STORMWATER CONTAINMENT AND PROTECTION OF OF JOINING PROPERTIES AND WATERWAYS.
AND ALTHOUGH A LARGE PROJECT, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT SPANS LIKE FORT POWER 10 3000 ACRES, IT'S A TREMENDOUS UNDERTAKING FOR STAFF SUCH AS PRINCE GEORGE.
YOU KNOW, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM COORDINATOR IS A DIVISION OF ONE.
SO A 3000 ACRE PROJECT TOOK UP A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THE AMOUNT OF EDUCATION AND BACKGROUND AND SKILLS NEEDED FOR THAT IS ALSO ON THE HIGH LEVEL, WHICH WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO TO HAVE MS. BLUNT, WHO IS VERY SKILLED.
BUT AGAIN, IT IS A RESOURCE ISSUE TO DO THESE LARGE PROJECTS.
SO TO SEE THAT THE QUEUE IS IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED A PROGRAM AND PUT IT INTO THE THE LAW THAT THEY CAN DO THIS FOR.
YOU STILL PROVIDE THE SITE INSPECTION AND PROJECT OVERSIGHT.
BUT IT WOULD THEIR ASSISTANCE WOULD REDUCE OUR RESOURCE DEMANDS ON STAFF, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO INVESTIGATE THIS OPPORTUNITY, YOU DO HAVE TO AGAIN REQUEST IT.
THE FEE SCHEDULE HASN'T EVEN BEEN DEVELOPED YET, BUT THE FEE IS CHARGED TO THE APPLICANT.
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH OUR BUILDING PERMIT FEES, SO IT'S NOT A FEE THAT'S CHARGED TO THE LOCALITY.
SO THERE THERE'S BASICALLY NO OTHER CHARGE TO THE LOCALITY.
YOU STILL PROVIDE THE INSPECTION SERVICES AND THE OVERSIGHT LIKE WE DO NOW ANYWAY.
SO IF IF THERE'S NOT ANY ANY CLEAR OBJECTIONS OR ANY ANYTHING GLARING ABOUT THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO DE Q AND SEE WHAT'S INVOLVED IN IN REQUESTING THIS SERVICE AND AND WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES BOARD AUTHORIZATION OR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
BUT JUST TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH INTO IT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU, IT'S STRICTLY
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A BENEFIT TO US AT NO COST AND THEY WOULD BE DOING THAT AND TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE OFF OF YOUR OFFICE.YES, SIR. I CERTAINLY I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK SO, TOO. MR. WEBB. WOULD WE LOSE ANY CONTROL OVER THIS THAT WE WOULD STILL DO THE SITE INSPECTIONS AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY STILL HAVE TO ENFORCE ANY LOCAL ORDINANCES? THEY WOULD JUST BE DOING THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL REVIEW FOR THE COUNTY.
I'M GUESSING IF YOU SPEND, YOU CAN'T OPT OUT.
I WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT, I'M SURE THERE WOULD BE AN OPT OUT AT SOME POINT.
PERSONALLY, I'M CONCERNED THE DEVILS, MAYBE ANY DETAILS.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S SOME HORROR STORIES FROM YEARS AGO IN HANOVER AND RINKO, WHERE THEY BROUGHT. THEY OPTED IN IN A PROJECT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE POINT FIVE MILLION RAN UP TO ALMOST $12 MILLION JUST FOR THE INTERSECTION.
NOW GRANTED, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE SITTING HERE SAYING THAT THE COST IS ALL GOING TO GO TO THE DEVELOPER OR WHOEVER IT IS, BUT.
I ME PERSONALLY, I JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TO OPT IN AND OPT OUT AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. I THINK THIS KNOTT IS JUST GIVING YOU THE OK TO GO COLLECT MORE INFORMATION.
IT'S NOT A COMMITMENT TO OPT IN OR OR ANYTHING.
SO I'M OK WITH FINDING OUT MORE INFORMATION AND BRINGING IT BACK.
ARE THERE ANY? UM, I THINK THERE'S ONE LAST SLIDE MR..
SO I WANTED TO TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON AGAIN.
THE TWO COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECTS THAT HAVE APPLIED, THEY MAY MOVE FORWARD.
THEY'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN TO THE BOARD.
WE ARE EXPECTING CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO APPROVED SITES, WARWICK AND SIEBER, AND WE WOULD WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP WITH RCC AND THE MEMBER LOCALITIES.
AND THAT JUST KEEP KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY ORDINANCE. WE'RE AT FINAL REVIEWS AND SCHEDULING PUBLIC HEARINGS, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE OF.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS UNFORTUNATELY CANCELED LAST MONTH BECAUSE OF THE WATER OUTAGE OUTAGE HERE AT THE BUILDING, SO WE ARE TAKING THAT UP AGAIN THIS MONTH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR FROM AS WELL? I GOT ONE CURIOSITY, WHERE DID THE BULK OF THESE MATERIALS MADE? THE BULK OF THE MATERIALS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE'S IT COMING FROM? OH, I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE.
A COALITION ORDER PROBABLY OUGHT TO KNOW, RIGHT? I'M JUST CURIOUS. AND I BELIEVE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF PANEL THEY'RE USING.
I MEAN, ONCE THEY THEY, THEY WILL STICK WITH THE SAME BRAND OF PANEL, BUT EACH COMPANY IS A LITTLE BIT SECRETIVE ON THEIR PANELS, TOO.
SO. MM HMM. THAT'S AN INTERESTING.
I HAD NOT HAD NOT THOUGHT TO ANSWER ASKED THAT BEFORE.
MR. HUNTER, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED, I JUST DON'T KNOW IT BY THE NAME THAT YOU'VE SAID, BUT WHAT? WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THE WIND DOWN? MR. THACKER, THAT'S THE WARWICK, THAT'S WARWICK.
OK, ALL RIGHT, I DIDN'T KNOW IT BY THE NAME OF WARWICK, SO THAT'S THE OFFICIAL COMPANY LLC NAME.
GOTCHA. AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ANY PLANS OR SITE SITE PLANS FOR THAT OR ANY CONCEPTUAL YET. OK, THANK YOU.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
OK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MS., CHAIRMAN OF YOUR DIRECTION, THE SIP PROCESS WAS TO GO THROUGH STAFF AND DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD ALONG THE WAY TOWARDS THE BUDGET PROCESS.
AND WE HAVE WE'VE COMPLETED THAT FIRST PHASE OF THAT AND MS. DREWRY IS GOING TO.
GIVE YOU A LIST OF DETAILS REGARDING THAT AND SEEK YOUR INPUT AT A DESIGNATED TIME.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT OUR ABBREVIATED OR REVISED CERP PROCESS. I HAVE A POWERPOINT THAT WAS LEFT AT YOUR PLACES, ALONG WITH A COUNTY SCHOOL SHIP LISTING AND A UTILITIES SHIP LISTING.
SO OUR ABBREVIATED PROCESS ON JULY 21ST, YOU PROVIDED FEEDBACK TO PUT TOGETHER A SIP
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PROJECT LISTING AND NOT TO ENGAGE IN THE NORMAL COMMITTEE PROCESS.AND JUST BY DEFINITION, A CIA CAPITAL PROJECT IS A CONSTRUCTION OR PURCHASE OF AN ASSET OVER 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND A USEFUL LIFE LONGER THAN A YEAR OR CERTAIN UPGRADES TO OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS, EQUIPMENT AND ASSETS.
THE RECAP OF OUR ABBREVIATED PROCESS OR ACTUALLY OUR MOST RECENT PROCESS.
THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU APPROVED AND FY 20 ONE LAST FISCAL YEAR, THE ONLY LOOSE ITEM ON THIS LISTING IS THE FLEET GARAGE EXPANSION, AND I BELIEVE THE BOARD WILL BE RECEIVING AN UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT ON NOVEMBER THE 9TH.
BUT WE HAVE NOT YET DONE THE BORROWING FOR THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO GET A REAL NUMBER FOR THAT GARAGE PROJECT SO THAT WE DON'T BORROW TOO MUCH OR, QUITE FRANKLY, TOO LITTLE. WE DO HAVE EVERY INDICATION, AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN ALREADY BRIEFED THAT THE COST IS GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT INITIAL ESTIMATE OF TWO POINT ONE MILLION.
AND I'M SURE MR. SIMMONS AND AND OR THE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING FIRM WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATED BUDGET NUMBER AND A TIMELINE FOR WHEN THAT INVITATION FOR BID CAN BE ISSUED.
AND WHEN WE WILL HAVE BIDS IN HAND.
OF COURSE, THE BORROWING HAS BEEN COMPLETED FOR THE NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE DID THAT THROUGH VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY LAST SPRING.
UM, AT FIVE TWENTY TWO, THESE WERE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE EARMARKED OR INCLUDED IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET.
WE HAVE THE BOARD HAS AUTHORIZED US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE BUS PURCHASES AND THE COUNTY AND POLICE VEHICLES.
AND WE MAY ACTUALLY ASK TO LUMP THAT IN TO OUR BORROWING WHEN WE DO IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO TWO SEPARATE BORROWINGS JUST FOR THOSE TWO INITIATIVES.
THERE IS A STUDY CURRENTLY BEING DONE ON COMPANY ONE, BUT CHIEF BEAMAN DID MAKE SOME ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT RENOVATION IN HIS CIP SUBMISSION, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY MERIT MORE DISCUSSION.
AND THIS WAS THE THE LOOK OF THE LISTING AS IT STOOD WHEN THE PROCESS WAS LAST COMPLETED AND FOR TWENTY ONE, THESE WERE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE HORIZON, WITH SPECIFIC TIMING OUTLINED IN THE COLUMN TO THE FAR RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, THERE WERE NO OTHER PROJECTS EARMARKED OR BUDGETED FOR COMPLETION UNTIL FY TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN.
AND THAT WAS A NEW BEESLEY IN ORDER TO STORE RESOURCES FOR THAT PROJECT.
WITH THE TIMING OF TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN, NO OTHER PROJECTS WOULD HAVE MOVED FORWARD UNDER THIS SCENARIO UNTIL TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN.
SO WHAT A DIFFERENCE TWO YEARS MAKE, THE ABBREVIATED PROCESS WAS KICKED OFF AFTER YOUR DIRECTION IN JULY, AND DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SCHOOL PERSONNEL WERE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT NEW PROJECTS.
THEY WERE ASKED TO UPDATE AMOUNTS AND OR SCOPE OF EXISTING PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THIS LISTING. AND THEY WERE ASKED TO ELIMINATE ANY PROJECTS OR RECOMMEND FOR REMOVAL, ANY PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT NEEDED OR HAD BEEN COMPLETED USING DIFFERENT SOURCES OF FUNDING.
SO THE UPDATED LIST WAS DEVELOPED, SO SOME PROJECTS WERE REMOVED BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SCHOOLS INDICATED AND I ALREADY KNEW THAT SOME PROJECTS HAD BEEN COMPLETED BY OTHER FUNDING MEANS ALSO UPDATED PRICE.
PRICES WERE SUBMITTED FOR THOSE THAT REMAINED ON THE LIST AND NEW PROJECTS WERE SUBMITTED. SO JUST TO COVER A FEW THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU IN AUGUST WAS PERHAPS PAVING THE SCOTT PARK ENTRANCE ROAD AND THE TRAILS NEAREST THE CONCESSION STAND.
THAT PRICING AT THE TIME WAS A LITTLE OVER ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX THOUSAND.
BUT OF COURSE, THAT QUOTE HAS EXPIRED.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GET AN UPDATED QUOTE AND A DISCUSSION WAS HELD ON YOU, PERHAPS USING TOURISM FUND BALANCE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU AFTER THE AUDIT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU IN DECEMBER.
ALSO, SOME DISCUSSION HAS OCCURRED ON REPLACING THE DARK FIBER WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE CONNECTIVITY ISSUES BECAUSE OF FIBER DETERIORATION.
DIRECTOR OF IT, MR YOUNG HAS GONE FORTH WITH AN EVALUATION OF THE NEEDS.
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THAT EVALUATION, I BELIEVE, WILL BE COMING BACK SOMETIME IN NOVEMBER, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON PERHAPS USING SOME OF OUR UNCOMMITTED ARPA FUNDING.THERE WAS A DISCUSSION A FEW YEARS BACK ABOUT AN ENTRANCE REDESIGN AT THE COURTHOUSE, AND THIS DISCUSSION OCCURRED BETWEEN MR. SHERIFF ALAN AND OUR FORMAL FORMER GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR MR. PURVIS, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT DESIGN AND PRICING WAS EVER MOVED FORWARD WITH.
SO THAT IS NOT ON THE LISTING RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION OF USING THE COURT SECURITY FEES, WHICH YOU DID INCREASE ON JULY 1ST OF TWENTY TWENTY.
SO I GUESS THE THOUGHT IS TO PERHAPS ACCUMULATE THOSE INCREASED FEES.
THEY'RE HOUSED IN ONE LINE ITEM WITHIN SHERIFF ALLEN'S CURRENT BUDGET AND PRIOR BUDGET FROM FY TWENTY ONE.
SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO ALLOW A NEW SHERIFF WHEN ELECTED TO TRANSITION IN AND GIVE THAT INDIVIDUAL TIME TO CONFER WITH MR. SIMMONS, OUR CURRENT GENERAL SERVICES DIRECTOR.
SO WE DIDN'T PUT THAT ON THE LIST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN AMOUNT OR REALLY A SCOPE.
SO THAT'S NOT ON THE LIST YET.
OK, SO ABOUT TWO POINT SIX MILLION, AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SMALL TO SEE, BUT IT IS ON THE LISTING OF COUNTY AND SCHOOL SHIP PROJECTS THAT YOU RECEIVED AT YOUR PLACES, BUT ABOUT TWO POINT SIX MILLION IN PROJECTS WERE REMOVED.
I WOULDN'T GET TOO EXCITED ABOUT THAT NUMBER.
I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY MUCH, MUCH MORE THAN THAT WAS ADDED AND UPDATED.
THE COURTHOUSE AUDIO VISUAL REFRESH WAS REMOVED.
KIRSTEN CHERRY SUBMITTED THAT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS EARMARKED FOR COMPLETION WAY DOWN THE ROAD IN TWENTY THIRTY TWO WITH THE CIP COMMITTEE'S SCORING SYSTEM.
BUT SINCE THAT TIME, NO STATE FUNDING HAS BEEN USED.
FOR SOME UPDATES AND A REFRESH OF THE AV EQUIPMENT AND THE CIRCUIT COURT ROOM IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT RENOVATION PROJECT FOR THE CIRCUIT COURT ROOM.
THE SCHOOL DIVISION INDICATED THAT THEY COULD TAKE THE BEESLEY TRAYLOR REPLACEMENT OF TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND OFF THE LIST BECAUSE THEY PLAN TO REPURPOSE OR TRANSITION TO TRAILERS FROM THE EXISTING WALTON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO BEASLEY WHEN THE NEW SCHOOL IS COMPLETE. ADDITIONALLY, THEY WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE HIGH SCHOOL BLEACHER REPLACEMENT IN THE SUMMER THIS PAST SUMMER WITH SOME ALTERNATE FUNDS, SO THAT WAS TAKEN OFF THE LIST.
WE HAD ON THE LIST SIX POWER LIFT STRETCHERS.
WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO PURCHASE SIX WITH CARES FUNDING AND WE REMOVE THAT FROM THE LIST IN THE FUTURE.
I BELIEVE CHIEF BEAMAN WOULD PLAN ON DESIGNATING SOME OF THAT DEVOTED ONE PENNY FOR SUCH PURCHASES SO THAT THAT IS NOT ON THE LIST.
CARSON SUBSTATION SIX RENOVATIONS CHIEF BEEMAN ASKED THAT THAT BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST.
HIS PRIORITY IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW WELLS STATION ROAD FIRE STATION AND PERHAPS MOVE THE PAID STAFF THAT ARE IN THAT MOBILE UNIT TO THAT NEW STATION.
SO HE DID NOT INDICATE THAT RENOVATIONS TO COMPANY SIX WERE ADVISABLE AT THIS TIME, SO WE DID TAKE THAT OFF. HOWEVER, HE DID BUMP UP THE BUDGET FOR NEW WELLS STATION.
ADDITIONALLY, THE OPTICAL ZOOM SYSTEM THAT IS A SYSTEM THAT KIND OF OVERRIDES STOPLIGHTS, MR. HUNTER, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT HE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAS A NEED AT THIS TIME DUE TO THE FEW NUMBER OF STOPLIGHTS WITHIN THE COUNTY AND ADDITIONAL.
ADDITIONALLY, HE WOULD LIKE TO USE THOSE RESOURCES TOWARDS THAT NEW WELLS STATION CONSTRUCTION. A THREE COMMUNITY PROJECTS IN THE CARSON AREA THAT WERE ADDED, I BELIEVE, WHEN THE NEW CARSON FIRE STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WAY DOWN THE ROAD AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY TRACTION FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS A PAVILION, BASEBALL FIELD AND PLAYGROUND.
SO THOSE WERE REMOVED FROM FROM THE LISTING THAT YOU RECEIVED.
PARKS AND REC DOG PARKS, THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE SKATE PARK MASTERPLAN AND WITHIN SCOTT PARK. SO THAT WAS REMOVED AS A SEPARATE PROJECT.
BUT THE MASTER PLAN WAS ADDED, SO ADDED WE ADDED ABOUT THREE THIRTY SIX POINT SEVEN MILLION IN NEW PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT ON YOUR PREVIOUS LISTING, AND TWENTY SIX AND A HALF MILLION OF THOSE ARE COUNTY PROJECTS.
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THE LARGEST, WHICH IS THE SCOTT PARK MASTER PLAN THAT IS THE LPGA, THE LAND PLANNING DESIGN ASSOCIATES.THAT WAS THE COMPANY THAT DID OUR MASTER PLAN.
THAT WAS THEIR ESTIMATE BACK WHEN THAT PLAN WAS FINALIZED.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL OF ALL THOSE PROJECTS.
YOUR LISTING IS GOING TO HAVE THOSE BROKEN DOWN INTO COMPONENTS.
BUT THE PRICING MAY NEED TO BE ADJUSTED IF CERTAIN COMPONENTS ARE PICKED OUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ROAD ACCESS AND PARKING, AS WELL AS IAN'S SITE CLEARING.
SO SO THAT WILL BE A A MORE DETAILED DISCUSSION AS YOU PRIORITIZE WHETHER OR NOT AND WHEN TO MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE.
SCOTT PARK MASTER PLAN INITIATIVES CENTRAL WELLNESS STATION OR CENTRAL WELLNESS CENTER RENOVATIONS PHASE TWO THAT WAS NOT REALLY ON A VIP LIST ANYWHERE.
AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE ABOUT COMPLETE WITH PHASE ONE RENOVATIONS TO THAT BUILDING, WHICH ADDRESS JUST THE CODE COMPLIANCE PHASE TWO.
THAT'S KIND OF A BALLPARK NUMBER BASED ON WHAT OUR CONSULTANT OR A&E FIRM AND TARUS PROVIDED AT THE TIME, MINUS PHASE ONE.
WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE ADDED IN, WE WOULD NEED A A REFRESH ON THAT ESTIMATE TO COMPLETE WHAT'S LEFT.
BUT BUT 10 MILLION IS A BALLPARK.
AND THEN THE CIRCUIT COURT ROOM RENOVATIONS.
THAT'S BASED ON THE LATEST ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE FROM MOSTLY ARCHITECT.
THEY'RE GOING TO DELIVER ABOUT ONE POINT SIXTY TWO MILLION.
SO THOSE WERE NEW COUNTY PROJECTS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SCHOOL DIVISION IDENTIFIED TEN POINT TWO MILLION IN SCHOOL PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT ON THE PRIOR LIST.
ROOFING PROJECTS AT VARIOUS BUILDING BUILDINGS TOTALED FOUR POINT NINE MILLION HVAC PROJECTS, VARIOUS BUILDINGS TOTALING TWO POINT NINE MILLION, AS WELL AS RESTROOM RENOVATIONS THAT I BELIEVE WILL BE A TOPIC AT OUR CHAIR VICE CHAIR MEETING IN EARLY NOVEMBER. I BELIEVE THERE THERE ARE SOME MANDATES COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE ABOUT RETROFITTING SOME EXISTING RESTROOMS TO ALLOW FOR STUDENT USE THAT MIGHT IDENTIFY PARTICULAR WAY WITH GENDER.
THERE'S GOING TO BE AN UNFUNDED MANDATE, APPARENTLY.
AND THEN THEY ALSO IDENTIFIED A CAR STACKING PROJECT POTENTIAL PROJECT AT SOUTH ELEMENTARY, WHERE TRAFFIC BACKS UP INTO ROUTE ONE FIFTY SIX, WHEN STUDENTS ARE BEING DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP.
SOME PROJECTS THAT THEY SUBMITTED APPEARED MORE MAINTENANCE RELATED.
SO SO THEY BEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION WITH SCHOOL PERSONNEL AND MR. ASHCRAFT. AND I COULD CERTAINLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH DR.
PENNY CUFF AND HER TEAM TO WORK THROUGH THOSE, BUT THEY WERE PAVING AND OR ROOF MAINTENANCE THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR PARTICULAR YEARS, SO THEY APPEAR MORE, MORE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL IN NATURE.
SO EXISTING PROJECT, SOME COST CHANGES WERE SUBMITTED AND THEY WERE PRETTY HEFTY.
TWENTY ONE POINT SEVEN MILLION IN INCREASES THE LARGEST INCREASES WERE SUBMITTED BY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
COMPREHENSIVE HIGH SCHOOL RENOVATIONS WERE ORIGINALLY ON THE LIST FOR SIXTY TWO POINT NINE MILLION.
BUT I BELIEVE BASED ON THAT TIMELINE THAT WAS ON THAT LIST FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THEY MAY HAVE PUT SOME INFLATORS IN AND IT'S CLOSER TO 70.
SEVENTY NINE MILLION THAT THEY INDICATED THAT THAT COST WOULD BE SAME FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BEASLEY ELEMENTARY.
THEY HAVE INCREASED THAT ESTIMATE BY $5 MILLION, FROM THIRTY TWO TO JUST OVER THIRTY SEVEN MILLION AND THEN THE WELL STATION ROAD.
I THINK THERE IS SOME MORE DISCUSSION NEEDED ON THIS, BUT CHIEF BEAMING UP THAT TO OVER FIVE MILLION. CERTAINLY SOME SCOPE DISCUSSION IS NEEDED ALONG WITH SOME PLANNING.
BUT BUT THAT IS AND AS A PLACEHOLDER NOW WHEN HE REMOVED THE SUBSTATION, SIX RENOVATIONS THE OPTICAL AND THE STRETCHERS, I BELIEVE HE JUST SWEPT ALL THOSE AMOUNTS INTO THIS.
I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING SOME OFFICE SPACE, MAYBE EVEN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE SPACE, SO CERTAINLY SOME MORE DISCUSSION IS NEEDED.
SO THERE WERE ALSO SOME DECREASES PUT IN HIGH SCHOOL.
AUDITORIUM SCHOOL DIVISION DID DECREASE THAT ESTIMATE THAT THEY HAD BY SIX HUNDRED AND
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NINETY ONE THOUSAND AND THEY BROKE IT INTO COMPONENTS AND THEN COMPANY ONE RENOVATION CHIEF BEAMAN ACTUALLY INDICATED, YOU KNOW, SHORT OF HAVING THAT STUDY IN HAND THAT HE RECOMMENDED DOING A RENOVATION MORE COSMETIC IN NATURE ON THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.THAT CERTAINLY DOES BEAR SOME MORE DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE ALSO A FEW BLANKS AND ARE LISTING WHILE WE AWAIT MORE DETAIL OR MORE DIRECTION. THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT LATER TODAY, THAT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT, I THINK YOU MIGHT SEE IN ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT I THINK MR. STOKE INDICATED MAYBE THERE WAS ABOUT ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND AVAILABLE WITHIN TOURISM CONTINGENCY. HOWEVER, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE THAT COULD OR MIGHT NOT COVER THE COST, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT'S WHAT'S OUTLINED.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SCOTT PARK MASTER PLAN, THOSE COMPONENTS ARE PUT IN AS LPD A OUTLINED THEM. HOWEVER, IF WE PLUCK CERTAIN THINGS OUT, WE MIGHT HAVE TO FINE TUNE THOSE COSTS TO GET THE ROAD ACCESS, THE PARKING, THE SITE WORK AND THE CLEARING THAT'S NECESSARY, AS WELL AS THE INS.
SO AND LPGA'S ESTIMATES DID NOT INCLUDE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES, AND THOSE TYPICALLY RUN ABOUT 10 TO 15 PERCENT OF A PROJECT COST.
COMPANY WANT, OF COURSE, THE STUDY IS UNDERWAY AND THERE IS MORE DISCUSSION NEEDED ON SCOPE AND SITE.
THE WELLS STATION ROAD IS A NEW OR THEY INCREASED.
CHIEF BEAMON INCREASED HIS ESTIMATE HERE, BUT CERTAINLY YOUR INPUT WOULD BE WELCOMED ON THE SCOPE AND WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT RENOVATION OR THAT CONSTRUCTION.
SO UTILITIES ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED TRADITIONALLY ON THE COUNTY WIDE SIP LISTING, BUT WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH MR. HALL HALTOM SEPARATE LIST SO SO WE WOULD NEED INPUT AND EVALUATION ON WHAT PROJECTS ON MR. HALTOM LIST TO PROVIDE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT FOR, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT PROJECTS ON HIS LIST? WOULD THE BOARD BE WILLING TO PONY UP GENERAL FUND TAX SUPPORT? TRADITIONALLY, DEBT IS PAID USING WATER AND SEWER FEE COLLECTIONS AND THEIR ENTERPRISE FUND ACCOUNT.
SO RECENT EXCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN YOUR ROUTE ONE FIFTY SIX WATER LINE EXTENSION AND THE FOOD LION WATER SYSTEM UPGRADES, WHICH INCLUDED FOUR SIXTY ROUTE FOR 60 WATER LINE EXTENSION.
SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A LIST AND WE WILL BE REQUESTING INPUT ON WHAT PROJECTS.
GENERAL FUND SUPPORT COULD OR SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
AND THEN WE COULD ALSO CONSIDER PERHAPS PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF SUPPORT FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DEPENDING ON HOW THE MEALS TAX MIGHT INCREASE IN THE FUTURE.
SO SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, BESIDES BORROWING, I KNOW WE HAVE DISCUSSED USING TOURISM FUNDS FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PUT THEM ON THE LIST BECAUSE THOSE RESOURCES ARE NOT UNLIMITED THERE.
THERE IS A CAP TO WHAT MR. STOKE IS ABLE TO SUPPORT OR THE COUNTY IS ABLE TO SUPPORT WITHIN THAT TOURISM FUND.
WITH OUR LODGING TAX DISCUSSION WAS HELD AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT ON SLIDE EIGHT FOR PAVING THE PARKING SCOTT PARK, ENTRANCE ROAD AND THE TRAILS.
THAT WAS ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX THOUSAND.
AND AGAIN, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION OF USING THE TOURISM FUND FUND BALANCE AFTER THE AUDIT IS ISSUED. THE HERITAGE CENTER WATER INTRUSION REPAIRS, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
THAT ENTIRE PROJECT TO INCLUDE THE WINDOWS, ROOF AND OTHER ANCILLARY REPAIRS WAS JUST OVER NINE HUNDRED THOUSAND.
HOWEVER, I THINK A DISCUSSION ON JUST DOING THE ROOF MIGHT BE COMING FORTH LATER AND THAT COSTS WOULD BE CERTAINLY LESS THAN THAT.
VETERANS MEMORIAL WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT COMING FROM THE TOURISM FUND, AS WELL AS ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT PAVING THE EXISTING SCOTT PARKS SOCCER FIELD PARKING LOT, WHICH WOULD ADD ABOUT 80 SPACES.
I THINK THAT IS ON THE CIP LISTING THAT THAT YOU'LL RECEIVE, BUT BUT AGAIN, TOURISM FUND BALANCE CANNOT SUPPORT THAT TODAY.
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THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED, PROBABLY IN A BORROWING AT A FUTURE TIME.AND THEN, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THERE IS AN EXIT FORTY FIVE MASTER PLAN UNDERWAY AS WE SPEAK.
SO CERTAINLY THERE MAY BE CAPITAL AND DEBT CONTRIBUTIONS, WHICH ARE TO BE DETERMINED FOR CAPITAL INITIATIVES ALONG EXIT FORTY FIVE.
A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE TOURISM FUND SUPPORTED SOME WATER IMPROVEMENTS AND CURRENTLY THE TOURISM FUND TRANSFERS MONEY TO THE UTILITY FUND TO PAY THAT DEBT.
THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF PAYING THAT DEBT.
F Y TWENTY TWO IS, BUT I BELIEVE THE PLAN WAS TO.
ISSUE NEW DEBT WITHIN AND HAVE TOURISM TAKE ON SOME INITIATIVES FOR EXIT FORTY FIVE IMPROVEMENTS AND A LIKE MANNER.
SO SO THEY ARE UNLIKELY, NOT LIKELY ABLE TO SUPPORT ALL OF THESE INITIATIVES IN THE SHORT TERM, SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY NEED TO ASSIGN PRIORITY IS THE ROOF IMPROVEMENT.
MORE IMPORTANT THAN PAVING THAT ROAD TO SCOTT PARK? YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE JUST SOME SOME QUESTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION OR CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNING PRIORITIES.
AND WITHIN THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES.
SO WE MAY NEED SOME FUTURE DISCUSSION ON THAT AS WELL.
ALSO, WE DO HAVE SOME REPURPOSED SERIES 2019 BONDS THAT WERE ISSUED WHEN THE THOUGHT WAS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW JEFFERSON PARK FIRE STATION.
AND NOW OF COURSE YOU'RE RENOVATING INSTEAD OF CONSTRUCTING NEW.
SO THE DESIGN WORK IS IN PROGRESS FOR BOTH THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADES THAT COMPANY ET OR THE EMERGENCY CREW BUILDING AND OUR RENOVATIONS FOR JEFFERSON PARK.
AND I BELIEVE THE BOARD IS ALSO SCHEDULED TO RECEIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT ON NOVEMBER 9TH AS WELL. SO TIMELINE AND ANY UPDATED BUDGET ESTIMATES THEY MAY HAVE.
BUT BUT AGAIN, I KNOW THERE WAS INTEREST IN HAVING BIDS IN HAND.
SO CERTAINLY WHAT'S LEFT OF THOSE REPURPOSED BOND PROCEEDS COULD BE USED TOWARD THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW WELLS STATION ROAD FIRE STATION.
JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS.
SO PROJECTS THAT ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM IMPROVEMENTS THE SCHOOL DIVISION DID INDICATE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AUDITORIUM AND REQUESTED FY TWENTY THREE AS THE YEAR AND THOSE WOULD BE FOR CURTAINS.
THE SOUND SYSTEM AND CARPETING LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
ADDITIONALLY, THE WELLS STATION ROAD FIRE STATION IS RECOMMENDED FOR MOVING FORWARD AND F TWENTY THREE WITH A PORTION OF WHATEVER THE BUDGET ENDS UP BEING COMING FROM THE SERIES.
TWENTY 19 BONDS, CERTAINLY THAT THOSE BONDS WOULD NOT COVER THAT ESTIMATE.
A CONVENIENT STATION FOR REFUSE.
AND THEN CIRCUIT COURT ROOM RENOVATIONS, THAT DESIGN WORK IS UNDERWAY, AND WE DO WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT MOVE FORWARD ENOUGH FOR TWENTY THREE.
AN ESTIMATE, AT LEAST THE LATEST ESTIMATE THAT I HAVE IN HAND.
HERITAGE CENTER ROOF AT THE TIME I PREPARED THIS, I HAD NOT GOTTEN A DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM MR. SIMMONS, AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HIS THUNDER.
I KNOW HE'S GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'LL.
I BELIEVE THE COST IS ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN THOUSAND.
HE MAY HAVE GOTTEN THAT VERY RECENTLY.
AND THEN THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, AGAIN, REALLY THE SCOPE AND COST IS TO BE DETERMINED.
I THINK MR. STOKES INDICATED HE COULD PONY UP AS MUCH AS ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND FROM THE TOURISM FUND.
DJ MOORE PAVILION AND PICNIC AREA WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO MOVE FORWARD AT A COST OF ABOUT NINETY TWO THOUSAND WHEN THE ESTIMATE WAS COLLECTED.
AND THEN THE SCOTT PARK FISHING POND, WHICH WAS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR SCOTT PARK, THAT COST WILL LIKELY NEED TO BE ADJUSTED BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST PLOP THE FISHING POND ON IN THE PARK WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO GET TO THE POND, SO ROAD ACCESS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT LPGA ESTIMATE.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE WILL NEED TO BE PARKING.
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AND ONE OF THE PARKING OPTIONS THAT WAS OUTLINED WAS ABOUT TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHT THOUSAND. SO THOSE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.ADDITIONALLY, THE SCHOOL DIVISION, RESTROOM RENOVATIONS, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THOSE FOR INCLUSION FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AS WELL.
SO WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, AND OF COURSE, THE BOARD MAY, MAY NOT AGREE WITH ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD IN TWENTY THREE, THERE MAY BE ITEMS ON THE LIST THAT YOU SEE AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ITEMS OR MORE CRITICAL TO MOVE FORWARD THAN THESE.
BUT WHEN ALL THE DUST SETTLED, THE UPDATED LIST IS ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE POINT TWO MILLION OF COUNTY AND SCHOOL PROJECTS, AND THERE ARE A FEW BLANKS IN THERE.
JUST JUST A FEW NUMBERS TO BE FINE TUNED, AND WE ONLY IDENTIFIED TWENTY TWENTY THREE FOR THE YEAR. WE DID NOT IDENTIFY FUTURE YEARS.
WE WANT TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO GO THROUGH AN EXERCISE TO RANK AND SCORE ALL THE PROJECTS ONCE THEY DECIDE WHAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE HORIZON FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
AND THEN WE'LL WORK WITH DAVENPORT TO FIGURE OUT A TIMELINE OF WHEN WE CAN AFFORD THESE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AS YOU HEARD MR. HALTOM, WE HAVE SOME CAPACITY CAPACITY CONCERNS AND ISSUES OR SHORTCOMINGS THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE SHORT TERM.
BUT HIS PROJECTS, WATER AND SEWER TOTALED NEARLY ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR MILLION.
THEY ARE CAPITAL SUSTAINMENT PROJECTS, CAPITAL EXPANSION AND COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND WATER PROJECTS ARE JUST UNDER SEVENTY TWO MILLION AND SEWER ARE JUST OVER SEVENTY TWO MILLION, ABOUT AN EVEN SPLIT THERE.
SO MR. HALTOM DID TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY JUST THIS MORNING TO HIGHLIGHT PRIORITIES TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO THE SOUTH POINT BUSINESS PARK THAT HE MENTIONED WHERE THE CAPACITY ISSUES EXIST.
SO HARD COPIES OF THE LISTS ARE AT YOUR PLACES, AND UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT ME TO, I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE FINE DETAILS OF THE LISTS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXHAUSTING EXERCISE.
BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS.
THIS IS THE COUNTY AND SCHOOL LIST.
IT WAS LEFT AT YOUR PLACES AND I HAVE I HAVE PUT A THROUGH K AT THE TOP OF THE LIST JUST FOR EASIER REFERENCE, AS WELL AS PUTTING NUMBERS DOWN THE LEFT HAND SIDE SO THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING WE CAN SAY COLUMN H ROW FOUR, SO THAT WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT MIGHT BE EASIER TO IDENTIFY THE THE DESCRIPTION IS IN COLUMN A.
THE CATEGORY, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, SCHOOL OR COUNTY IS IN COLUMN B.
THE OLD COST, IF THIS WAS AN EXISTING PROJECT AS IN COLUMN C AND THE OLD TIMING IS IN COLUMN D. COLUMN F HAS THE UPDATED COST, IF IT IS KNOWN COLUMN G HAS A STATUS OR A CHANGE, IF THIS IS NOT A NEW PROJECT AND THEN REQUESTED TIMING IS IN COLUMN H IS WHAT THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR THE SCHOOL DIVISION REQUESTED.
RECOMMENDED UPDATED TIMING WOULD BE IN COLUMN I AND WE HAVE ONLY FILLED IN TWENTY TWENTY THREE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
I ALSO PUT IN COLUMN J IF THERE WAS AN ALTERNATE POSSIBLE ALTERNATE FUNDING SOURCE AND THEN NOTES ARE IN COLUMN K.
SO THAT'S THE COUNTY SCHOOL LIST.
THERE IS ALSO A UTILITY VIP LIST AND PAGES ONE THROUGH THREE.
OUR WATER PROJECTS AND PAGES FOUR AND FIVE ARE SEWER PROJECTS.
AGAIN, I HAVE HIS COLUMNS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY SCHOOL PLAN, AND HE HAS KIND OF OUTLINED YEARS OF RECOMMENDED COMPLETION AND OR COST IN HIS PLAN.
HE'S PUT NOTES IN THERE AND AGAIN, THE ITEMS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GOLD, THE BRIGHT YELLOW HIGHLIGHTER COLOR ARE THOSE PROJECTS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CAPACITY ISSUES THAT HE OUTLINED WITH YOU TONIGHT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER ON THE SEWER SIDE ON PAGE FIVE, AS WELL AS TWO ON PAGE ONE.
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SO WITH THE WITH THE LIST BEING IN YOUR HAND, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DO ANYTHING TODAY.WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT WE DO THIS AND IN A FEW STAGES BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF A BIG, OVERWHELMING TASK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS MAGNITUDE, THIS DOLLAR MAGNITUDE AND THIS NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
FIRST, WE WOULD ASK IF YOU DISAGREE OR AGREE WITH WHAT STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT FORTH FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE AND IF YOU WILL, WE'LL SEND YOU A TEMPLATE TO DO THAT BY EMAIL AND HARD COPY IF THAT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO DO, AS WELL AS TO MARK ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE IN.
THEN THE UTILITY LIST WE WOULD.
YOU KNOW, ASK WHICH OF THOSE PROJECTS SHOULD SHOULD HAVE GENERAL FUND SUPPORT AND POSSIBLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND SUPPORT? AND WHICH ONES OF THOSE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE? AND THEN STEP TWO WOULD BE TO ESTABLISH PRIORITIES FOR ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS ONCE WE GET THROUGH AND SETTLE TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
WHAT WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES? HOW WOULD YOU SCORE THESE IN TERMS OF SIGNIFICANCE AND URGENCY IF YOU'D LIKE TO SCORE THEM SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CIP COMMITTEE WOULD DO? AND THIS IS HOW THE CIP COMMITTEE WOULD SCORE THEM.
THEY WOULD ASSIGN A SCORE OF ONE THROUGH FIVE, WITH FIVE BEING THE MOST URGENT NEEDS NEEDS TO BE COMPLETE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO AND THEN SIGNIFICANT.
HOW SIGNIFICANT IS THE PROJECT? AND YOU KIND OF HAVE TO SCORE THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER.
AND THAT'S NOT A SIMPLE EXERCISE.
WE MIGHT EVEN PLAN A MEETING A COUPLE OF HOUR LONG MEETING TO GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WISHES.
THE COMMITTEE DOES SCORE INDEPENDENTLY, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCORES ONCE WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPILE THEM.
SO ONCE STEPS TWO AND THREE, ONE AND TWO ARE COMPLETED, WE WOULD FORWARD TO DAVENPORT FOR AN IMPACT ANALYSIS TO TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.
WHAT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES MIGHT BE REQUIRED? THE TIMING OF PROJECTS BEYOND TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
CERTAINLY, THE TIMING OF THOSE LARGER PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE LIST ADOPTED TWO YEARS AGO MIGHT CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT'S NEEDED OR WHAT YOUR YOU ASSIGN AS A PRIORITY FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
AND EVEN IN THE SHORT TERM, FOLLOWING TWENTY TWENTY THREE AND THEN WHETHER WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR POLICIES.
SO IF YOU ARE AGREEABLE TO THIS PROCESS, WE CAN CERTAINLY FORWARD YOU THE SIP LISTINGS BY EMAIL WITH SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD PROVIDE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT.
AND I WOULD INCLUDE INSTRUCTIONS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU AGREE WITH IT FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE, IF WE'VE MARKED IT FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE IN COLUMN.
I THEN YOU WOULD MARK A GRAVE ASIDE THAT IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU WOULD MARK DISAGREE AND THEN IF YOU HAD OTHER PROJECTS ON THE LIST THAT DON'T HAVE A TWENTY TWENTY THREE IN COLUMN I THAT YOU THINK ARE IMPORTANT FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE, YOU WOULD MARK THOSE MR. HALTOM. AND I WOULD ALSO DETERMINE HOW BEST TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO MARK THOSE PRIORITIES FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE HERE.
SO AFTER WE ESTABLISH TWENTY TWENTY THREE AND LOOK AT UTILITIES PROJECTS THAT WOULD NEED GENERAL FUND OR ECON TO SUPPORT, THEN THEN WE WOULD GET TO SCORING THE REST OF THE PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A BIG TASK.
SO. WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE, WHAT FEEDBACK? IT'S A LOT. LET ME START TO MY LEFT MS. WAYMACK. SHE LEFT HER SPEECHLESS.
CAN YOU? I'LL GO TO MR. WEBB. AND I GUESS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS WHEN WE IN THIS REFLECTION TO YOU, OK, KNOTT PERSONAL. WHEN WE SAY FINE, TUNE THE NUMBER.
WHEN ALL IS OVER 84, HEADING TO EIGHTY SIX DOLLARS A BARREL AND PRETTY DAMN NEAR EVERY BUILDING PRODUCT OUT HERE FROM VINYL, YOU NAME IT, MAKING STEEL.
THESE WOULD STILL BE ESTIMATES.
ABSOLUTELY. AND IF THE IF THEY'RE RIGHT IN WHAT I'M READING ABOUT MAYBE KNOTT CORRECTION TO TWENTY TWENTY FOUR AND I'M NOT COMING, I'M NOT TRYING TO COVER DOOM AND GLOOM.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS ON IT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO FOCUS ON GETTING REVENUE
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GENERATING PROJECTS.WE'RE GENERATING STUFF BACK AND BACK INTO THE LOCALITY.
ALL THAT COULD CHANGE BEFORE WE MAKE THE FINAL BUDGET.
SO I MEAN, IT ADDS MORE CREDENCE TO YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE.
YOU REALLY HAVE TO DRILL DOWN INTO THE PRIORITIES, KNOWING THAT IF YOU TRY TO GO AFTER WHAT YOU ALL LIKE TO HAVE MOST OF 50 PERCENT OR BETTER IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE DROP OFF BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE LIST ON BOTH FRONTS.
ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROCESS.
WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROCESS.
IT'S A GOOD WAY OF APPROACHING IT.
BUT THAT'D BE MY ONLY CONCERN.
MM HMM. MR. HUNTER, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH TO JUST SAID IT.
IT. GOT A LONG WAY TO GO AND A SHORT TIME TO GET THERE TYPE THING AND.
A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY HERE, A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.
BUT REMEMBER, OUR BUDGET AS WELL HAVE THE BUDGET FOR.
LOOKING AT THESE AND HAVE THE ABILITY, AT LEAST SAY, I DON'T THINK.
YEAH, I THINK FOR ME, I'M OK WITH PICKING OUT TWENTY TWENTY THREE.
AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT SEEING THE VALUE OF RANKING ANYTHING LEFT OVER BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO MUCH CAN HAPPEN IN THE COURSE OF A YEAR THAT COULD JUST TOTALLY DISRUPT THAT RANKING.
AND BY THE TIME WE TRY TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO KICK ANY CANS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT AS FAR AS TALKING ABOUT MONIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, JUST EVEN WITH THAT TWENTY TWENTY THREE LIST.
IF WE DID ALL OF THAT, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME CONSIDERABLE WORK TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. SO FOR ME, I I'D WANT TO SPEND MY TIME ON JUST THE TWENTY TWENTY THREE AND LOOK AT THAT AND SAY YES, NO.
AND THEN THE ONES WE SAY YES, THEN WE HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY SEE THE VALUE IN DOING THE RANKINGS OF EVERYTHING ELSE AFTER THAT. THAT'S JUST ME.
MR. WEBB. AND I GOT I GOT WONDER.
THIS DOESN'T FALL ON YOUR YOUR BALL, I DON'T THINK.
I WOULD IT'S I GUESS, BECAUSE OF MY BACKGROUND, IT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING FOR ME WHEN WE APPROVE MONEYS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND THEN THE IFP HAS GOT TO GO OUT AND THINGS CHANGE.
AND THEN THE ESTIMATES CHANGE.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT, BUT I KNOW THE PROCESS, THEY IMPROVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND YOU'RE EXPECTED EITHER TO COME IN ON TARGET OR YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE RUNNING 10 PERCENT OVER WITH AN EXPLANATION.
AND THERE ARE TIMELINES TO BE MET BECAUSE THAT IS PRODUCTION OR MAINTENANCE DRIVEN.
AND YOU HAVE TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN TIME BECAUSE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS GOT TO BE FIRED UP. AND I'M NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY.
IT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY. I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPRESS WHERE MY CONCERNS ARE.
WE'VE GOT A TON OF PROJECTS OUT THERE AND I JUST CALLED AND ASKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THEM TODAY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR OVER A YEAR.
AND IF THE A&E PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE WORKFORCE CAN'T PRODUCE, THEN WE NEED TO BE LOOKING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THIS IS NOT JUST DO IT WHEN YOU CAN AND THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK, THEN YOU PUT US UNDER THE GUN AND WE TURN AROUND, GIVE THEM SOMETHING BACK AND THEN THEY COME BACK WHENEVER THEY FEEL LIKE IT. I MEAN, ONE THAT FRUSTRATES ME THE MOST, I GUESS, AND I'LL SAY IT OUT LOUD IS A RADIO PROJECT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID NOT HAVE A DEFINITE TIMELINE WITH TARGET DATES THAT HAD TO BE MET. AND WE HAVE TO FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT THEY WEREN'T MET, AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE DRUG OUT EVEN ANOTHER YEAR.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT, BUT I THINK, DO YOU GET MY POINT WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET AT? MM HMM. AND TO BE TO BE UTILIZED THE DOLLARS EFFICIENTLY SO WE CAN BE VERY FUNCTIONAL AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND COMMITTING SO WE CAN HAVE PROJECTS DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER AND EFFICIENT MANNER AND THEN BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE WHEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A REVOLVING DOOR ON LIST.
AND NO DISRESPECT THESE LISTS RIGHT HERE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, BUT THE UNKNOWNS ARE AN AIRPORT PIECE BECAUSE ONCE WE APPROVE IT. TO ME, IT'S NOT AN UNKNOWN AT THAT POINT.
IF WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK, WE GOT EVERYTHING LAID OUT.
SO NOW I FIND IT FRUSTRATING THAT WE DO APPROVE STUFF, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A KNOCK ON ANYBODY ON STAFF, BUT IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'LL BE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF DOWN THE ROAD AND
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WE HAVEN'T MADE MUCH PROGRESS BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING ON SOMETHING FROM SOMEONE.SO AGAIN, I'M NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS OR COMPLAINING ABOUT ANYBODY ON STAFF.
IT'S JUST HOW DO WE GET FROM THE TIME WE SAY, EVEN GIVE US AN ESTIMATE AND THEN WE'RE SIX EIGHT MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD GETTING AN ESTIMATE.
I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE MONEY'S WITH THE.
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BUILD A NEW JEFFERSON PARK? AND THEN WE CHOSE TO DO THIS.
WE STILL DON'T KNOW THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO WITH OTHER MONIES.
IT'S JUST IT'S A LOT OF DANGLING UNSETTLED PIECES.
AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF ALL NEW STUFF THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T EVEN DRAWN COMPLETION TO WITH ALL THE OPEN STUFF.
SO IT'S IT. IT'S IT'S FRUSTRATING AND CHALLENGING AND NO KNOCK ON, YOU KNOW, KNOCK ON YOU, SIR. NO KNOCK ON ANYBODY, ON STAFF.
IT'S JUST. I'M LIKE WITH MR. WEBB, IF THE ANDES WON'T GET US WHAT WE NEED BACK IN A TIME FRAME, WE NEED TO FIND OTHERS IF WE HAVE CONTRACTORS THAT CAN'T GET PROJECTS DONE.
YOU KNOW, FOR WHETHER IT'S FOR OUTFALL STUFF OR FOR MR. HALTOM, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER LIST OF OTHER PEOPLE WE CAN LEAN ON.
I THINK WE'VE DEPENDED ON CERTAIN GROUPS FOR SO LONG AND NOW EVERYBODY'S FINDING ISSUES SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT'S THEY CAN'T HIRE ENOUGH PEOPLE OR WHAT, BUT IT'S AFFECTING US AS WELL FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE.
AND IT'S NOT DIRECTLY AND IT'S COSTING US MONEY.
IT'S NOT DIRECT. IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE.
OK, I WANT TO MAKE THEM CLEAR ON THAT.
THIS SYSTEM OR PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH HAS BEEN HERE WAY BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. MM HMM.
SO I MEAN, I'VE BEEN HERE SIX AND A HALF GOING ON SEVEN YEARS.
BUT THERE AGAIN, LIKE MR. BROWN SAID, THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH STAFF.
I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE START HOLDING PEOPLE'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
YOU GIVE US A BID. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU EIGHTY FOR AN A&E.
YOU GIVE US A TIMELINE ON WHEN TO EXPECT THAT BACK SO WE CAN BE PRE-PLANNING FOR THE NEXT PHASE WITHOUT SITTING HERE WAITING FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE GOT TO WAIT ANOTHER MEETING FOR US TO CONSIDER IT OR EVEN LOOK AT IT AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S THAT'S.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE CIP IS REALLY, I THINK, DESIGNED AS A PLANNING TOOL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WERE IN THE TWENTY ONE LISTING WERE PROBABLY EIGHT YEARS OLD.
SO. SO IT'S NOT REALISTIC REALLY FOR US TO EVEN EXPECT US TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE CERTAIN THINGS WITH THE COSTS THAT WERE IN THAT LIST.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT WHOLE LISTING IS REALLY A PLANNING TOOL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE FROM A BIRD'S EYE LEVEL WHAT WE CAN AFFORD WHEN AND CERTAINLY THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR FY TWENTY ONE, WHERE WE HAVE NOT BORROWED UNTIL WE HAVE BIDS IN HAND IS IS PROBABLY A BETTER PROCESS FOR US.
SO YOU'RE NOT BORROWING MONIES THAT END UP BEING SHORT WITH THE BIDS COME IN.
I KNOW THAT STAFF TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF LEADERSHIP CHANGE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE PARAMOUNT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED A LITTLE BIT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE ON NOVEMBER 9TH ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE AND THE GARAGE INITIATIVES AND WHERE THEY ARE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE TIMELINE IS BEING MET BY THE R&D FIRM.
AND AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY BOARD MEMBER SITTING UP HERE POINTING A FINGER AT MR. ASHCRAFT STAFF OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED WITH HOW CAN WE GET BETTER? THAT'S ALL. I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S ALL OF OUR GOAL IS HOW DO WE GET BETTER? HOW DO WE BECOME MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO IN THE EYE OF THE PUBLIC THAN WHEN WE VOTE ON THINGS? THEY CAN HAVE SOME MATURITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE IT IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HEAR HERE.
AND CERTAINLY, PROCUREMENT IS A PROCESS THAT DOES ADD SOME TIME WE HAVE TO.
WHEN WE ISSUE AN IFB, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT THOSE SPECIFICATIONS.
WE HAVE TO GET ASSISTANCE FROM OUR R&D FIRMS SO THAT VENDORS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BIDDING ON. AND WE HAVE TO ALLOW A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE CONTRACTORS TO BID ON THOSE PROJECTS SO THAT THAT TIMELINE IS IS PRETTY INFLEXIBLE.
WE WE DO IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN.
I KNOW MICHELLE WORKS VERY HARD AND PUTTING TOGETHER IFB AND RFP AS QUICKLY AS SHE CAN.
I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S SLATED AND GOT IT RIGHT, RIGHT?
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IT'S LIKE I SAY, ADVERTISING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? THAT'S A SPECIFIC TIMELINE.THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, AND IT IS NOTHING TO DO RIGHT WITH COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR ANYBODY ELSE. THAT'S CURRENTLY IT'S FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET MORE EFFICIENT AT WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS? AND I'LL THROW THIS OUT THERE.
I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING, IF WE'VE GOT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTY OR THE CITIZENS, IF WE NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT SO WE CAN KEEP THESE PROJECTS MOVING ON AND DON'T HAVE TO SIT ON THEM FOR TWO WEEKS OR ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, SIT ON THEM FOR 30 DAYS.
I'LL MAKE YOU KNOW, I'LL THROW THAT OUT THERE.
WE CAN DO SOMETHING WE NEED TO JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PROJECTS INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR A BOARD MEETING. AND I DO WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, THAT IN THE MEETINGS THAT I'M INVOLVED IN WITH MR. ASHCRAFT AND WITH STAFF ON THEIR UPDATES AND STUFF, WE DO SPEND TIME TALKING ABOUT WELL, BECAUSE OF THE PROCUREMENT, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM I HAVE.
WE BACK INTO, OH WELL, THIS WAS GOING TO COME TO THE BOARD ON THIS DAY.
THEN WE LOOK AT THEM, GO DOWN.
IT'S GOT TO COME SOONER THAN THAT TO THE BOARD, IF YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO AWARD A CONTRACT TILL MARCH.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THAT'S THE STUFF.
I LOOK AT IT AND I TOLD MR. ASHCRAFT, I SAID, HEY, THAT'S KIND OF UNACCEPTABLE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE THREE AND FOUR MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
OH, NO, I JUST WANT TO DO THE ALSO REST ASSURE THAT WE DO DISCUSS A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS TONIGHT.
WE STILL WANT TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS IF POSSIBLE.
YEAH. AND MR. SIMMONS CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU THE FRUSTRATION HE EXPERIENCES, SOMETIMES IN GETTING JUST QUOTES TO HAVE WORKED ON.
IT'S IT'S A FRUSTRATING PROCESS, AND HE HE MAKES MULTIPLE CONTACTS WITH THOSE VENDORS TO GET THE QUOTES. SO, YEAH, AND AS PART OF THIS EFFORT, DO WE REALLY NEED TO PROBABLY HAVE MORE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MORE A&E FIRMS? I MEAN, DOES THAT GIVE US SOME BETTER OPTIONS WHERE? WE'RE NOT STUCK WITH ONE GROUP THAT WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, BELIEVE WE HAVE FIVE ON CONTRACT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBER OF PROPOSALS THAT WE RECEIVED.
MRS. WALTON MAY BE ABLE TO TELL YOU SHE WAS ON THAT EVALUATION PANEL, BUT YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT EXPANDING THAT.
I WOULD NEED TO TALK WITH MICHELLE AND SEE IF WE WHEN OUR LAST RENEWAL IS UP AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT IT OUT ON THE STREET AGAIN AND CONSIDER EXPANDING AND DO.
BUT DO WE DO WE HAVE REVIEWS SET UP TO WHERE AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR WE REVIEW HOW THOSE A&E FIRMS PERFORMED SO THAT WE CAN.
IF WE HAD A RECORD THAT SAID WE, WE ASKED THEM FOR FIVE BIDS AND THREE OF THEM, THEY GOT THEM IN PASS. THE TIME WE SAID TO ME, THAT'S THAT'S ENOUGH AMMO TO SAY, MAYBE THIS IS NOT A GROUP WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THEIR PERFORMANCE TO KNOW FOR A DEPARTMENT HEAD FEEDBACK.
A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL GET ANECDOTAL COMPLAINTS, BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FORMALLY.
WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH MR. WHITTEN AND MS. ERARD TO DO LETTERS TO THOSE VENDORS, CURE LETTERS TO INDICATE WHEN WE HAVE ISSUES.
WE'VE COMMUNICATED THAT TO MR. SIMMONS. AND CERTAINLY, IF WE HAVE VENDORS THAT ARE NOT PERFORMING AS WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO OR EVEN WHAT WAS SPELLED OUT IN OUR RFP, WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE IT SO THAT AS WE SIGN PEOPLE UP, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THOSE CONTRACTS OR AGREEMENTS SO THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE ALREADY ON NOTICE.
IF THEY DON'T PERFORM, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AROUND WITH US GOING MR. WEBB. I'M SORRY THESE CONTRACTS YOU JUST REFERENCED.
CORRECT ME IF I'M OUT THERE LIKE A CSA, RIGHT? ONCE YOU SET UP THIS GROUP, THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE A CONSOLIDATED SERVICE AGREEMENT, SO TO SPEAK OR NOT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT MR. WEBB, I KNOW WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH, YOU KNOW, FIVE DIFFERENT FIRMS FOR A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME WITH X NUMBER OF RENEWALS.
THEY PROVIDE PRICING ON INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.
AS WE REQUEST PRICING, THEY'LL SUBMIT A PROPOSAL TO DO THE DESIGN WORK FOR THE GARAGE OR TO DO THE DESIGN WORK FOR COMPANY EIGHT ELECTRICAL.
I'M OKAY WITH. I JUST CURIOUS.
I DIDN'T KNOW. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE ON RETAINER AND WE WE ASK THEM FOR PRICING PROPOSALS UNDER A CERTAIN DOLLAR MAXIMUM WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPETITIVELY GET THE CSA
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IS I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT. WE DEAL WITH IS LIKE, YOU HAVE A COMPANY THAT DOES PIPE VALVES AND FITTINGS AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER MIGHT DO HYDRAULICS, WHICH WOULD ALSO COVER HOSES AND FITTINGS, BUT JUST HYDRAULIC RELATED THINGS LIKE THAT PUMPS THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT WITHIN THAT CSA AGREEMENT, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CHARGE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE MORE. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AND PRODUCTS, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A SERVICE.HOWEVER, THEY ARE GUARANTEED TO BE GIVE YOU OR STAY WITHIN A RANGE AND GIVE YOU THE BEST PRICE FOR YOUR MONEY. BASED ON THE VOLUME IS IN WAY.
IT'S KIND OF DRIVEN AND IN FINANCE NORMALLY GOES BACK AND EVALUATES THAT ON OK, WHERE THE COST SAVINGS THAT IT WASN'T BENEFICIAL.
AND IT DOES CHANGE KNOTT KNOTT A LOT, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOES CHANGE RIGHT.
THE SERVICE AND DELIVERY IS KEY FOR ONE TIME BECAUSE IF YOU SAY YOU CAN HAVE A TWENTY FOUR HOURS AND YOU'RE RATED ON HAVING SOMETHING, IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO STOCK IT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT WITHIN TWENTY FOUR HOURS AND INCLUDE IF YOU HAVE TO PAY THE EXTRA FREIGHT TO GET IT THERE, 24 HOURS IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON YOUR SHELF LIKE YOU COMMITTED TO. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M FAMILIAR.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE DO HAVE PRICING FOR CERTAIN GOODS.
AND IF WE RENEW WITH ONE OF THOSE VENDORS THAT PROVIDES GOODS, WE PUT IN OUR CONTRACT THAT THEY CAN HAVE MATERIALS MARKUP.
IN FACT, THE LAWN MAINTENANCE AWARD THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR YOU TO RECEIVE AT YOUR NOVEMBER 9TH MEETING, THE BIDS ARE DUE ON NOVEMBER 1ST.
THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, WERE ASKED FOR PRICING TO DO THE LAWN SERVICE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY, AND THAT'S HOW THEY'LL BE SCORED.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO AN ADDITION THAT SAID, IF WE ASK YOU TO DO WORK THAT'S NOT CONTAINED IN THE SCOPE OF THIS IFB, PROVIDE US WITH LABOR, HOURLY RATES AND A MATERIALS MARKUP PERCENTAGE. SO SO WE DOES SOUND LIKE WE HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT MIGHT BE MORE LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND NOT TO DRAG IT ON.
I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM OR THE THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR R&D FIRMS. YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE CONTRACTUALLY WHEN WE MAKE A REQUEST FOR AN ESTIMATE, CONTRACTUALLY, DO THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME OR ARE WE REALLY NEGOTIATING? WHEN CAN YOU GET THIS BACK TO ME WITH EVERY DIFFERENT THING? IF WE HAD SOMETHING CONTRACTUALLY THAT GAVE THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE IF WE'RE HAVING TO DO THAT WITH EACH PERSON, WE'RE KIND OF AT THEIR MERCY.
YEAH. AND THEY'RE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY DON'T DELIVER IT, BECAUSE CONTRACTUALLY WE HAVE NOTHING TO HOLD THEM TO GIVING US THAT ESTIMATE BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS OR WHATEVER. AND THAT GOES BACK TO HOW CLEAR YOUR SCOPE IS, RIGHT DEFINED.
YOUR SCOPE IS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING TO FIND.
RIGHT. BUT IF THEY GIVE US A THING BACK BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GIVEN TO HIM, TO THEM, CONTRACTUALLY THEY'VE MET, THEY'RE PART OF IT.
IF WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM PROPER SCOPE, THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, HEY, WELL, NO, YOU DIDN'T TELL US THIS OR MIGHT COST YOU MORE.
BUT IF THEY COST IT OUT BASED ON WHAT WE PUT ON PAPER AS THE SCOPE OR REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY AND THEY GAVE IT BACK TO US IN THE TIMELINE THAT WAS EXPECTED, THEY'VE MET THEIR COMMITMENT. I CALLED I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT ACROSS YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE GETTING READY TO MAKE A STEAK. OH, THAT'S.
NO, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RFP TO SEE IF WE DID PUT PROVISIONS WITH SERVICES.
IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER IN SCOPE THAN OTHERS. SO FOR A&E SERVICES, YOU KNOW, TO TO DESIGN ELECTRICAL UPGRADES AT THE CREW BUILDING WOULD CERTAINLY REQUIRE A LOT LESS TIME THAN DESIGNING THE GARAGE RENOVATION.
YOU KNOW, THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT PROJECT IS IS DIFFERENT NOW TO GET US A PRICING PROPOSAL FOR THAT DESIGN WORK.
I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE A LITTLE QUICKER TURNAROUND.
BUT BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE SCOPE OF THAT RFP OUTLINED THOSE DELIVERABLES, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S OUR BIGGEST HOLDUP.
WE'RE WAITING ON PROPOSALS FROM ANY AND EASE TO EVEN KNOW WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I SEE.
SO LIKE I SAID, NOT TRYING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTION BASED ON FEEDBACK, WE'LL GET YOU SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THE TWENTY TWENTY THREE EARLY NEXT WEEK AND TO LOOK AT MR. HALTOM UTILITY SHIP LISTING, IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE EARMARKED FOR TWENTY TWENTY THREE AND WHETHER OR NOT TO CONSIDER PROVIDING AT LEAST SOME GENERAL FUND OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND SUPPORT.
WE WILL NOT REALLY EMBARK ON SCORING THE REST OF THE PROJECTS AT THIS POINT, BUT LEAVE THAT TO BE TO BE DONE AT A FUTURE TIME.
SO. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID ON MR.
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HOLCOMB'S. CAN I ASSUME THAT THE RED ARE THE ONES THAT HE'S RECOMMENDING FOR THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK? I THOUGHT IT WAS THE YELLOW.THE ONES IN YELLOW, I THINK, ADDRESSED THE CAPACITY ISSUES THAT HE COMMUNICATED TO YOU TONIGHT. IT WAS THE RED INDICATE, JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON WHAT I'M DOING.
MR., YOU CAN JUST LET ME KNOW IF I CAN ASK HIM.
YEAH, YEAH. JUST LET US ALL NOW.
MS., CHAIRMAN, YOU YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE TO COME IN THE NEXT THREE THAT MR. SIMMONS IS GOING TO GO OVER.
AND YOU'LL BE HEARING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE REGARDING THEM AND COST ESTIMATES, BUT HOPEFULLY WE WE CAN KEEP THEM ON.
SO DEAN, YOU HAVE THE NEXT THREE.
MEMBERS OF BOARD MS. ASHCRAFT, I APOLOGIZE FOR I HAVE HANDOUTS FOR YOU.
I'LL HAND YOU ON ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS AT ONE TIME, IF I CAN.
THANK YOU, SIR. YOU GOT NO THOUGHT YOU SAID THREE.
ALL RIGHT. NOW I'M JUST MESSING WITH YOU.
KIND OF LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAND THOSE OUT EARLIER WAS TIED UP IN A MEETING WITH AN A&E FIRM. SO IMAGINE.
AND HAVE. THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IS THE CIRCUIT COURT RENOVATION.
WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM MOSELEY ARCHITECTS ABOUT THE CIRCUIT COURTROOM RENOVATION AND A FEW MONTHS AGO AND DURING THAT DISCUSSION.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT THE WITNESS ROOM THEY WERE MAKING THE WITNESS ROOM AND JUST IN THE ONE ROOM.
AND SO MYSELF, MR. HUNTER AND THE SHERIFF AND THE JUDGE, JUDGE TONKO AND BISHOP ALL MET AND HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ABOUT THE WITNESS ROOM AND CAME UP WITH A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT IDEA AS FAR AS PUTTING A DIVIDER IN THE WITNESS ROOM AND.
SINCE THEN, THE ARCHITECT HAS COME BACK AND SAID WITH THE WITH US AND SAID THAT THIS WOULDN'T BE ANY ADDED COST TO THE PROJECT, THAT THEY HADN'T HAD TIME TO PUT PEN TO PAPER TO DRAW IT. BUT IT WOULD BE NO ADDED COST TO THE PROJECT AND THE.
IT'S BASICALLY JUST REARRANGING A WALL TO MAKE IT INTO TWO ROOMS, PUT A LITTLE BALL AND DOORWAY IN TO MAKE A CORRIDOR OVER THERE.
BOTSWANA UNDERSTANDS HE WAS THERE, SO HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT ANYHOW, THE THEIR PROPOSAL TO US.
WAS TO RENOVATE THE COURTROOM.
AND NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED THE WITNESS ROOM.
IS THIS HAVE A POINT ON IT? THE WITNESS ROOM IS RIGHT IN THIS AREA, AND THEY HAD DONE THE DEMOLITION DEMO THAT BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY HAVE A SLIDING WALL THAT SLIDES IN HERE SO THAT YOU CAN OPEN THIS UP INTO ONE ROOM OR MAKE IT INTO TWO SEPARATE WITNESS ROOMS. THESE ARE SLIDES THAT WAS PRESENTED AT EARLIER MEETING.
ANYHOW, THE COST CAME BACK FOR TOTAL FOR THE PROJECT IS.
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THAT WAS A FOR THE A&E COST OF THE PROJECT IS ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHT THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TWO DOLLARS.THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT INCLUDES A&E.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT BEFORE WE WAS TALKING ABOUT A GENERATOR REPLACING THE GENERATOR WITH WITH WHAT WE HAVE UP THERE, UPGRADING WHERE WE JUST RUN THE COURTROOM OR PUTTING A GENERATOR OVER THE WHOLE.
TAKE THIS OFF, PUTTING A GENERATOR OVER THE HOLE TO COVER THE WHOLE BUILDING FROM DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
IT WAS DISCUSSED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GENERATOR JUST TO BACK UP THE COURTROOM, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PRICE REFLECTS.
SO IT'S ONE HUNDRED, I MEAN, ONE MILLION SIX HUNDRED TWENTY THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT DOLLARS. I'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, AND HONESTLY, I'M GOOD.
HOW ARE YOU? THE NEXT PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT WAS THE FEASIBILITY THE HERITAGE REGIONAL HERITAGE CENTER.
VERY CLOSELY, ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, DONE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ABOUT THE STUDY THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR WATER INFILTRATION OF THE HERITAGE CENTER.
OH, AND AFTER GOING OVER THE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THE MASONRY ROOF AND WINDOWS, WATER INFILTRATION, THEY.
STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WOULD THE CORRECT PLACE TO START WOULD BE WITH THE ROOFING, SO ROOFING FIRST? SO WHAT I PUT TOGETHER IS THIS IS A PROPOSAL THE PROPOSAL FROM MOSELEY ARCHITECT AND JUST BROKE OUT FOR THE ROOFING OF THE BUILDING AND THE ARCADE.
UM. IT'S A HISTORICAL CLARK ROOF ON THE ROOF, ON THE HISTORICAL CLARK BUILDING AND ITS SLATE ROOF AND THE HAVE TO BE REPLACED WITH LIKE OR SIMILAR MATERIALS.
THEY KNEW SO THAT IT STILL LOOKS LIKE A SLATE ROOF AND WE'RE DONE WITH THE PROJECT, THE CONNECTING ARCADE IS WHERE MOST OF THE DAMAGE IS A LOT OF ROOF DAMAGE AND ERARD WATER IS INFILTRATED IN. ACTUALLY, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT WE HAVE TERMITES IN THE BUILDING THAT HAVE ENTERED THROUGH THE WET AREA OF THE ARCADE, SO I'VE BEEN HAD A PEST INVESTIGATION.
COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT, GIVE ME A PRICE ON TREATING THE TERMITES.
BUT THE IT APPEARS THAT THE TERMITES ARE COMING IN FROM WHERE THE R.K.
THEY HAVE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE WATER, THEY'LL WILL GO TO IT AND IT'S ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED TUBES GOING UP THE WALL.
AND SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, THE RECOMMENDED BY MOSLEY'S FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT THE ROOF BE REPLACED FIRST AND AT A COST ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THE PRICE INCLUDES A GENERAL CONDITION, CONDITIONS FOR THE CONTRACTOR AND ROOF REPLACEMENT AND THE PRICE.
THIS IS THE. PICTURE FROM ABOVE THE HISTORICAL COURTHOUSE IN THE CLARK BUILDING AND ARE, LIKE I SAID, THE CONNECTING ARCADE.
JUST MORE PICTURES OF THE COURTHOUSE, THAT'S THE ARCADE THAT RUNS OUT, IT'S LIKE A PORCH PORTICO ROOF THAT GOES AROUND OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND, UH, THERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THIS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NO CAP ON THE ON THE SLATE SINGLE ROOF.
IT'S BEEN PATCHED POORLY IN AREAS.
THERE'S YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WATER IS COMING THROUGH THE ARCADE AT THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING AND CAUSING DAMAGE TO DECAY TO THE BROKEN AND STUFF INSIDE THE ARCADE PART.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FIGURED, IS THAT FIGURE GOING TO INCLUDE THE DAMAGE FROM THE TERMITES REPAIR, I'M SURE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXTENT OF THE TERMITE DAMAGE IS RIGHT NOW, I'M SURE THAT IT IT'S
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IN THE ARCADE AND WHAT THEY HAD WHEN I TALKED TO THE ARCHITECT TO MOSELEY THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY RIPPING THAT OFF.SO I'M SURE THAT, YES, IT'S GOING TO REPAIR A LOT OF IT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE TREATMENT THAT PRICE IS NOT IN, UNDERSTAND IT, TREATMENT'S NOT THERE, BUT REPAIR.
I THINK THAT WE'RE HOPING THAT IT'S JUST SUSTAINED TO THAT AREA OF THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WAS INCLUDED.
SO LIKE I SAID, THAT'S KIND OF A NEW A NEW THING.
WE JUST FOUND OUT A WEEK AGO, YOU KNOW, HEY, LOOK, WE THINK WE'VE GOT TERMITES AND WENT OVER AND LOOK. SURE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TERMITES GOING UP THE WALL.
AND YOU GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MR. SIMMONS FLAT PART OF THAT ROOF, WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL WAS ON THAT? IT'S A PRIME, YOU KNOW? UM. OLD MATERIAL, OLD MATERIAL.
AND IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE TO A SLATE ROOF THAT LOOKS LIKE LIKE SLATE? YES, SIR. THEY HAVE COMPOSITES NOW THAT LOOK LIKE SLATE, BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY SLATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GOT LIKE A 30 OR 40 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY KNOTT, I MEAN, SLATE LASTS.
LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE LAST AND IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT IT IS EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR, RIGHT? OKAY. ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS TOPIC? I THINK WE'RE GOOD, SIR.
THANK YOU, SIR. TOO MANY PAPERS GOING.
WE HAD A DISCUSSION IN THE BACK THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE SITE FOR ANOTHER CONVENIENCE CENTER IN THE COUNTY.
ORIGINALLY WE DIRECTED LOOKING IN DISTRICT ONE.
AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY THERE, THE STUFF THAT THAT THE BOARD WAS HAPPY WITH, WHAT WE DID WENT BACK AND LOOKED AGAIN AND WE REALIZED WE HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY AT THE YANCEY TRACK, WHICH IS CENTRALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE COUNTY. SO.
THE WE RESEARCHED IT AND THE COUNTY OWNS IS YANCEY TRACK, AND IT'S A CORNER OF PRINCE GEORGE DRIVE AND EAST QUAKER ROAD.
AND IT'D BE OPTIMAL FOR A CONVENIENT SITE.
WITH EXISTING FACILITIES, AND WE HAVE AN PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY AS A UNION BRANCH, WHICH IS IN SOUTHWEST, THE BARRENS BILL, WHICH IN THE NORTHEAST AND COUNTY COMPLEX, WHICH WE ONLY HANDLE, RECYCLES RECYCLABLES, WHICH IS IN NORTH CENTRAL.
THIS IS A ACTUAL PICTURE, ERARD PICTURE OF THE YANKEE TRACK OF PROPERTY.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FOUR ACRES.
WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS IF YOU KNOW, LATER ON IF IT WAS GOING TO BE AN UNMANNED OPERATION OPTION OR IF WE'RE GOING TO BE THE COUNTY'S GOING TO MAN IT AND THE OR A CONTRACTUAL OPTION WHERE WE HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE MERIDIAN.
THE ESTIMATED COST TO FOR THE SITE WOULD BE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.
THE ANNUAL OPERATION, THE REFUGE SITE AFTER REVENUE IS ONE HUNDRED AND APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND OPERATING OPTIONS MULTIPLE IS FIFTY SIX THOUSAND UNMANNED WOULD BE ZERO AND MERIDIAN CONTRACT WOULD DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CONTRACT COMPANY COLLECTS AND FEES IS WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY SET UP.
ANNUAL INCOME FROM FEES AT THE COUNTY OPERATES WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS, OR IF PRIVATE CONTRACTOR OPERATED WOULD BE ZERO.
THE RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF IS A CONSTRUCTIVE, NEW, CONVENIENT SITE ON THE GANCI TRACK FOR EITHER DISCUSSION WOULD FOLLOW ON THE OPERATION LOGISTICS AND THE BUDGET.
THE QUESTIONS I GOT SOME QUESTIONS WHEN WE WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS SEVERAL YEARS
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AGO, MS. WAYMACK BROUGHT IT UP.IT WAS AN IDEA THAT WAS USED WAS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD ONE ON UNION BRANCH.
SO THE PEOPLE OVER ON THE SOUTH OR NORTH NORTH SIDE, I GET IT BACKWARDS NORTH SIDE.
AND IT LOOKED AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BODIES THAT WERE IMPACTED BY TRAVEL TIME.
SO BY PUTTING IT ON THE ANSWER, IT'S IT'S MAYBE A CENTRALIZED TO THE COUNTY.
BUT YOU'VE GOT UNION BRANCH THAT'S LESS AS A CROW FLIES, WHAT, LESS THAN SEVEN MILES.
SO THE PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTY TO WEST QUAKER WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE SEVEN MILES WITHIN THE UNION BRANCH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE ON THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY. IF WE'RE GOING TO, UNLESS WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN UNION BRANCH AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO ONE CENTRAL LOCATION THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY MR..
YOU AND I'VE D MR. SIMMONS, YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO THAT, BUT I KNOW I'VE GOT IT AT HOME SOMEWHERE AND IT SHOWS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND IT WAS THREE DIFFERENT PROPOSED SITES WHEN WE DO OWN, WHICH IS SAW ME ON THE OTHER TWO. WE DID NOT, BUT IT LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS BECAUSE BURNSVILLE, THAT'S ONLY THAT'S LIMITED. AND THAT'S A THAT'S THAT'S NOT A GOOD GOOD OPTION IF WE GOT TO TOTE IT UP INTO A 30 YARD CONTAINER.
BUT THERE WERE NUMBERS THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT CONVENIENT. YES, SIR.
AND WE LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS I LOOKED AT.
THE PAST PAST PRESENTATION HAS BEEN MADE TO THE BOARD AND WE.
THIS SITE IS JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE LINE.
SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY AT THE COUNTY ALREADY OWNED THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PURCHASE PROPERTY AND WE WERE LOOKING AT AND WE.
WE DON'T OWN ANY PROPERTY IN IN.
DISTRICT ONE THAT WE COULD PLACE US ON, WE NEED DISTRICT, IT WAS DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT TWO THAT WE CAN PLACE THIS ON.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNS ALL MALE.
WELL, WE DO WE DO ON SAWMILL, BUT IT WAS IT WAS JUST ONE OF A FEW LOCATIONS THAT EITHER WAS TOO SMALL.
IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES RELATED TO IT.
WE THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS RECOMMENDED.
JEFF, THERE WERE SOME OTHERS THE LAST THE LAST ONES THAT WAS RECOMMENDED WAS SAWMILL SCOTT PARK. AND WE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE WATER TANK BEHIND THE NEW SCHOOL.
THAT'S WHAT I SUGGESTED THE SCHOOL.
AND WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME WHEN MY LAST PRESENTATION ON THIS WAS AN UPDATE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS RIGHT AFTER I TOOK OVER THE POSITION, BUT I WAS DIRECTED AT, YOU KNOW, TO BEHIND THE NEW SCHOOL WASN'T IT WASN'T AN OPTION AND DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO HEAR IT. SCOTT PARK AND THE SAWMILL SITE IS REALLY TOO SMALL AND WE COULD DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY THERE. BUT ALSO THERE MAY THAT MIGHT BE AS FAR AS THE RIGHT AWAY ACCESS TO THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKING TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE DIRECTED TO LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY, IS NEAR NEAR THE DISTRICT LINE AND WE FELT LIKE IT WAS THE BEST LOCATION THAT WE COULD FIND AT THIS TIME UNLESS THE COUNTY WANTS TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT PURCHASING PROPERTY IN THE MR..
HOW MANY ACRES DO YOU PROPOSE? IT TAKES ALMOST LIKE TAKES AN ACRE AND A HALF TO TWO ACRES COMPARED, AND THAT'S GOING OFF OF WHAT DINWIDDIE HAS DONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMPACTOR SITES.
THAT'S A COMPACTOR SITE LIKE WE GOT ON UNION BRANCH.
YES, SIR. THAT'S A COMPACTOR SITE, WHICH MY MY VISION WAS WAS HAVE LIKE A COMPACTOR SITE AND THEN THE UNION BRANCH.
BE LIKE YOUR MAIN SITE TO TAKE THE HEAVY, YOU KNOW, HEAVY STUFF.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE HEAVY STUFF. I KNOW OTHER LOCALITIES DO IT THAT WAY.
THEY HAVE COMPACTOR SITES AND THEN THEY HAVE LIKE WHAT THEY CALL A MAIN BRANCH SITE.
SO IF YOU HAVE LARGE ITEMS LIKE.
MATTRESSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, REFRIGERATOR STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE MAIN BREAKS LIKE THE COMPACTOR SITE, JUST MORE OF A CONVENIENCE FOR HOUSEHOLD TRASH.
OKAY. IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I WAS PART OF A DRIVE OUT THERE ON THE YANCEY PROPERTY.
THERE'S AN AREA THAT ACTUALLY HAS IT'S IN IN AND OUT, RIGHT TOO AND ALREADY HAS ENTRANCE OR SOMETHING THERE. WELL, IT'S A IT'S A COUPLE OF GATES ERARD, BOARD, SOME GATES 150 SIX.
BUT I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE THAT WE CAN ONLY GO OFF OF EACH.
BUT ANOTHER QUESTION WAS RAISED.
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IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IF WE CHOOSE TO DEVELOP OTHER PROJECTS? AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO.I MEAN, WE CAN EASILY DIVIDE AND PUT BUFFERS.
A LOT OF TREES THERE THAT COULD PROTECT THAT ONE AREA FROM THE OTHER, BUT IT.
IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY IDEAL, ESPECIALLY RELATIVE TO TRAVEL TIMES FOR THE MOST NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, BUT I THINK IS, AS HAS SAID.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU OWN VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUY, WE PROBABLY COULD FIND PROPERTY MUCH CLOSER, MAYBE MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
UM. THIS IS THIS WAS OUR BEST, THIS WAS OUR BEST RECOMMENDATION, WHAT WE HAVE.
IF THE BOARD'S DESIRE IS FOR US TO PURSUE PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE CAN DO THAT AT LEAST GIVE YOU SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY'RE OUT THERE. I'M SURE WE COULD FIND THEM.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT THE WHOLE KEY IS IS CONVENIENCE.
AND I DON'T I PERSONALLY, I UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND THIS, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CONVENIENCE IS.
IF I IF I'M FUSSING ABOUT OR I'M CONCERNED OR YOU KNOW ABOUT DRIVING ALL THE WAY TO UNION BRANCH, WHAT IF I LIVE ALL THE WAY OVER HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY OR LIKE, LIKE BURNSVILLE, IT'S JUST LIKE BIRDSVILLE AND UP HERE BY THE LIBRARY.
AND NOW I'M STILL GOING TO DRIVE WITHIN SEVEN MILES OF WHERE THE OTHER PLACE IS.
I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD ANSWER THE CITIZENS.
CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS.
THEY WERE ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
IT'S MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED TO THEIR POPULATION, TO THEIR GROUP AND THAT INTO THE COUNTY.
NOW I'M NOT A BIG PROPONENT OF BUYING LAND.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT'S ALL MALE WAS WAS TOO SMALL.
I MEAN, IS THIS ALL MALE? OR IS IT AN A.? YEAH, I DON'T SAY IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT THE TWO ACRES THAT ACTUALLY, I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THIS BUSINESS FROM YOUR BROTHER, AND HE TOLD ME THAT TWO ACRES IS REALLY WHAT YOU NEED IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT. I JUST THOUGHT WE HAD AT LEAST TWO ACRES ON SAWMILL.
THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW WITH THE ROAD AND THE WAY THE RIGHT OF WAY EXISTS.
I BELIEVE WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT.
I WOULD JUST SAY, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. WEBB. AND I DON'T THINK THAT.
I DON'T I DON'T THINK THIS IF WE CHOSE TO GO THIS ROUTE, THAT THIS WOULD BE THE ANSWER TO THE THE BIG PICTURE, IT GIVES ANOTHER OPTION THAT STILL DOESN'T KEEP US FROM LOOKING.
TO PUT ANOTHER, IF WE WERE INTERESTED IN BUYING LAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK AT A COST OF A ONE HUNDRED, I SAY LESS THAN $200000, IT GIVES US ANOTHER SITE THAT PEOPLE CAN USE, BUT I DO AGREE THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN BIRDSVILLE.
OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE PLACE THAT WE COULD END UP PUTTING ANOTHER SITE AS WELL TO SATISFY THAT.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
I LIKE TO AT LEAST KNOW IF THERE IS SOMETHING OUT THERE.
IT'S REASONABLE THAT WE CAN MEET THE CITIZENS CONCERNS AND WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL REQUESTS WERE. YEAH, I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING OUT THERE OUT IN AREA.
MAYBE NOT JUST THREW IT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE.
THANK YOU. BUT RALPH, 10 AREA WOULD RATHER THAN AS MR. WEBB SAID, IF YOU'VE GOT A DRIVE TO YANCEY PROPERTY, WHAT THE HECK? IT WOULDN'T BE FOR A FEW MORE MINUTES, PROBABLY.
TO GET ON OUT TO THE WIRE TRANSFER STATION IS NOW, SO IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OPTION.
ANOTHER OPTION FOR SOME FOLKS.
IT WOULD BE CLOSER, BUT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY HAVE THE DISTANCE TO TRAVEL, IT REALLY WOULD.
I DON'T THINK. BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK TO PUT ANOTHER SITE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO GO TO UNION BRANCH IS GOING TO NEED TO BE A SITE LIKE YOU AND YOUR BRANCH.
IT CAN'T JUST BE COMPACTOR BIG BECAUSE IF I'M THE PERSON THAT HAS THAT BIGGER TRASH, I'M STILL THEN GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT TO UNION BRANCH IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN PUT IN THE COMPACTOR, SO I'M STILL GOING TO MAKE THAT DRIVE.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING OUT IN THE ROUTE 10 AREA WHERE I CAN HAVE THE SAME ABILITIES THAT I WOULD HAVE IN UNION BRANCH, I'M STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE OUT THERE AT SOME POINT IF I HAVE A MATTRESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE A POLE RUN OLD STAGE.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING, THOUGH, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN JUST GO, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BE DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE MANNED UNMANNED COMPACTOR, RIGHT? WHATEVER, THAT'S STILL A DISCUSSION.
WE NEED TO HAVE WHAT WHAT WE FEEL LIKE THE CITIZEN'S EXPECTATIONS ARE AND WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. BECAUSE TO ME, IF YOU HAVE ONLY ONE SITE THAT CAN DO THE BIGGER STUFF, BUILDING THE COMPACTING SITES ARE NICE.
BUT IF I'M A PERSON WHO HAS THAT OTHER MATERIAL, I STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY OVER.
IF I'M IN DISTRICT TWO, I'M STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY OVER JUST TO GET RID
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OF THAT. SO WELL, THE PEOPLE THAT REQUESTED THAT THE CITIZENS WHO WANTED THAT WERE PEOPLE AT BRANCH MR. LAKES, PEOPLE AT BIRCH'S ESTATES, AND NOW WE'VE GOT COLDWATER CREEK, CEDAR CREEK, KNOTT, COLDWATER CREEK, CEDAR CREEK, EAST AND WEST.THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE WANTED A CONVENIENT STATION, NOT NECESSARILY FOR BIG ITEMS, BUT FOR TRASH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD SUIT A COMPACTING SITE.
I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE I MEAN, I GO IN UNION BRANCH ALL THE TIME, BUT I DON'T PAY FOR TRASH PICK UP. I TAKE IT MYSELF.
AND KNOTT, EVERY TIME I'M IN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE IN THERE, THEIR CARS WITH BAGS OF TRASH PICKUPS, MAINLY THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST VEHICLES I SEE IN THERE.
AND SOME TRAILERS, EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU'LL FIND SOMEBODY THROWING AWAY OLD FURNITURE OR THEY'LL TAKE A WASHING MACHINE OR SOMETHING OR A TV OR SOMETHING FOR YOUR ELECTRONICS AT HOME. BUT MOST OF THE TIME IS PEOPLE IN AND OUT COMING ACROSS WITH HOUSEHOLD TRASH, HOUSEHOLD STUFF, CONTAINERS, AND THEY PUT IT BACK IN THEIR TRUCK AND THEY GO BACK AND PAY AND THEY LEAVE. I'M NOT SAYING THEY DON'T BRING SOME IN SOME TIME, BUT IT'S NOT.
AND JUST SOME MORE INFORMATION WE DID.
WE LOOKED FOR OTHER PROPERTY THAT WAS MAYBE FOR SALE IN THE AREA THAT WOULD SUIT OUR NEEDS. AND AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW THAT WE THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY MAY PURSUE.
AND. ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT IS A HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.
THAT'S A HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS SIX MONTHS AGO, MONEY.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR ONE HUNDRED.
I UNDERSTAND. KIND OF GO, I'M MADELEINE WITH WITH GETTING BIDS AND STUFF NOW THAT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS 30 DAYS.
NOW IT'S 14 DAYS THAT YOU KNOW, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE IT'S IT'S UNDERSTOOD WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PRICES LIKE, SAID I'VE D, BRINGING THE FLEET GARAGE BACK.
BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO THEM TWO MONTHS AGO SAYING, WE WANT A SOLID NUMBER WHEN WE GO TO THE BOARD. WE WANT TO SAY IT'S GOING TO COST X AMOUNT OF MONEY KNOTT THAT IT'S GOING TO COST X AMOUNT AND THEN IT COULD, YOU KNOW, AND FOR THEM TO BE, THEY'RE TRYING TO NAIL DOWN THE NUMBER SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO BUILD THIS.
NO SURPRISES MOST CONTRACTORS I'M DEALING WITH.
THEY WON'T GO ANY FURTHER OUT THAN 30 DAYS RIGHT NOW.
WELL, IF YOU'RE LUCKY FOR 30 DAYS INTO IT, YEAH, I CAN SEE WHY, THOUGH.
YEAH. WELL, THE NUMBERS THE MARKET IS SO YEAH, IT'S.
MM HMM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. THANK YOU.
WELL, THANK YOU. WE'LL PURSUE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
REVISIT IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
OK. MS. CHAIRMAN THE LAST THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS WE TALKED ABOUT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A VETERANS MEMORIAL.
AND LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME.
THIS IS NOT A MEMORIAL THAT IS GOING TO REPLACE ANYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE ON THE COURTHOUSE LAWN.
IT'S IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COMBINE THE EFFORTS AND THE MEMORY OF VETERANS GENERALLY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE EXISTS WITH THE WITH THE MEMORIALS THAT ARE ON THE COURTHOUSE ON. UM.
IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A SUBSTITUTE.
I THINK EACH EACH ENTITY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ITS APPROPRIATE AUDIENCE AND CERTAINLY VENUE, AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU AS MR. ROTZOLL WAS ABOUT TO EXPLAIN TO YOU, IF WE HAVE IT IN A MORE OPEN SPACE, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE CEREMONIES THERE.
IT'S A MORE OF A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND PARK AND WALK AND AND REFLECT.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPETING PROJECT.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT SHARES WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS A BIG PART OF PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY HERITAGE. AND THAT'S THEIR VETERANS, BOTH BOTH WHO WERE KILLED IN ACTION AND THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED THAT OTHERWISE AND THEIR FAMILIES.
MM HMM. KEITH, THANK YOU FOR COMING.
GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, SIR.
THIS IS GOING THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY SHORT AND SWEET.
IT'S JUST KIND OF GAUGING WHAT YOUR INTERESTS ARE.
THE AREA THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT IS IS NOTED RIGHT HERE.
THERE IS A. CURRENTLY, FORESTED AREA RIGHT OVER BY THE THE SOCCER FIELDS.
WHAT THE THOUGHT IS, IF WE HAD A LARGE OPEN AREA THERE.
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THAT COULD BE ACCESSED THROUGH THROUGH THE NEW CONCESSION STAND IN THE RESTROOMS. IT COULD BE ANOTHER.BESIDES WHAT MR. ASHCRAFT SAID, IT COULD BE ANOTHER.
PORTION TO THE BUILD OUT OF SCOTT PARK.
UM, AS BETSY SAID EARLIER, CURRENTLY THE APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR THIS, THE TIRZ CONTINGENCIES FOR FY 20 TO.
I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH MOSLEY ARCHITECTS, WHAT WHAT I'VE TOLD THEM, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF OF THIS DISCUSSION, IS WHAT WE'D BE INTERESTED IN IS PROBABLY GETTING A FEW DIFFERENT IDEAS ON WHAT WE COULD DO, POSSIBLY WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE PARAMETERS IN MIND. AS MR. ASHCRAFT SAID, IT'S WOULD BE AN OPEN AREA FOR EVENTS AND CELEBRATIONS.
SOME OF THE POSSIBLE FEATURES WOULD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE OR NOT, DEPENDING ON WATER ISSUES AND EVERYTHING THAT FOUNTAIN BENCHES, POSSIBLY A SMALL COVERED GATHERING AREA.
WALKWAYS CENTER FEATURE WITH A PLAQUE POSSIBLY, AND PATHWAYS TO CONCESSION TO TO RESTROOM FACILITY. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT A IT WOULDN'T BE A MASSIVE WALL OR IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A FEATURE, A FEATURE ITEM THAT.
THAT BRINGS TO FEATURE WHAT MR. ASHCRAFT SAID ABOUT BASICALLY A MEMORIAL IN A MEETING PLACE.
SO. YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GAUGE WHETHER YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING TO FURTHER PURSUE.
AND IF SO, YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
COULD YOU SWITCH BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE OVERVIEW AND.
I'M WONDERING HOW BIG IS THAT AREA, BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO GUESSTIMATE, BECAUSE HOW ABOUT IF YOU'RE HAVING THAT TYPE OF ATTRACTION? IS IT GOING TO BE PARKING? OH. AVAILABLE, YOU GOING TO HAVE OLD RASCALS GOING UP THERE TO LOOK AT THE PLAQUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT OR THE THE VENUE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND I JUST WONDERED ABOUT THE PARKING IF THE ONLY PARKING WOULD BE UP THERE, WHERE THE CURRENT PARKING IS.
OR WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING MAYBE HANDICAPPED TYPE PARKING CLOSER TO IT? VERY, VERY GOOD POINT.
THAT WAS JUST THE POINT THAT LOCATION UP THERE WAS WHERE WE HAD.
OH, SORRY. YEAH, IT WAS JUST IT WAS JUST AN IDEA, IT WAS.
AND I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND THE LOCATION THEN THAT WAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN GO THERE WITHOUT BEING ALL UP WITH THE OTHER KIDS RUNNING AROUND WITH SOCCER BALLS AND EVERYTHING. IF YOU WANT TO GO UP THERE AND VISIT WHATEVER IT IS, PAVILION OR THE PLAQUES OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT SOMEBODY HAVING TO PARK UP THERE WHERE THE PARKING IS AND WALK BACK DOWN TO THERE.
THEIR YOU KNOW WHAT? PEOPLE WOULD BE FIRED, BUT THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE HANDICAPPED THAT WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THERE.
ALL RIGHT, RIGHT IN THERE IS WHERE THE CONCESSION STAND? RIGHT? RESTROOM IS.
YEAH, IF YOU MOVE THIS OVER FARTHER BECAUSE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE HANDICAPPED, ACCESSIBLE PARKING.
THERE IS A RAMP THAT GOES DOWN TO THE CONCESSIONARY.
YOU COULD VERY EASILY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THAT RAMP RIGHT INTO THIS AREA.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU MOVE THIS OVER CLOSER TO IT.
AGAIN, IT'S GLAD THE WHOLE THING OVER TOWARDS THE CONCESSION STAND.
BUT MAYBE YOU COULD THROW SOME.
SO A FEW HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOTS IN THERE, AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WOULDN'T ABUSE THEM, YEAH, IF YOU IF YOU MADE IT A LITTLE WIDER TO THE LEFT GOING TOWARDS THE CONCESSION STAND. JUST A LITTLE GRAVEL AREA WITH MAYBE ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 HANDICAP ONLY PARKING SPACES. OR I MEAN, HONESTLY, WHERE YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE RUNNING THE THE MOUSE BACK AND FORTH RIGHT THERE, IT COULD GO RIGHT IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? IN THAT WAY, YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE MINIMAL.
ADDITIONAL ROAD THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT, YOU WOULD JUST PUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE PARKING FOR THAT, ONLY THAT AREA ONLY SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE COMING IN.
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I'LL CATCHING SPOTS LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE PARKING FOR SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT WANT TO CHEAT AND PARK THERE AND THEN WALK OVER TO THE SOCCER FIELD.IT SHOULD BE PARKING ONLY FOR THAT VENUE.
YEAH. SO MR. WEBB, WHERE IS THAT IN RELATION TO THAT FRISBEE GOLF OR WHATEVER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? WHERE DOES THAT PLAY IN QUESTION? I LOVE THIS POINTER. I'VE NEVER USED THIS BEFORE.
ALL RIGHT. RIGHT ALONG THIS SIDE IS PREDOMINANTLY WHERE THE FRISBEE, THE DISC GOLF IS UP HERE. PART OF IT GOES RIGHT ALONG THIS SIDE A SMALL BIT, AND THERE IS A HOLE THAT KIND OF ENDS IN THERE SO THAT I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT IN THERE.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT FOR A FEW WEEKS.
YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT WE WERE GOING TO PROCEED WITH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN.
WE HAVEN'T PUT ANY ANY OF THE BASKETS OR ANYTHING IN THE GROUND FOR DISC GOLF BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD THAT COULD BE MOVED AT THE MOMENT.
AND I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I HALFWAY REMEMBER THAT DIAGRAM THAT YOU SHOWED WHEN YOU PROMOTE PRESENTED THAT I THOUGHT ONE OF THEM OR TWO OF THEM WIND UP ON, I BELIEVE YOU.
ALL RIGHT, I THINK THERE IS ONE RIGHT OVER IN THAT IN THAT AREA.
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
I JUST, OF COURSE. YEAH, NO, THAT'S THAT'S VERY.
IT'S A VERY GOOD THOUGHT. ME PERSONALLY, I'M OPEN TO YOU HAVING I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY WANT TO SAY, JUST GO AND LOOK AT THIS OR THIS, I'D LET THEM PRESENT SEVERAL THINGS BECAUSE THEY MAY PRESENT SOMETHING THAT I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF.
BUT I WOULD JUST SAY IF THEY PART OF IT, THOUGH, IS MY HAVING THEM TO ALSO LOOK AT WHERE THE PARKING WOULD GO FOR THAT.
BUT YOU COME WITH A AND YEAH, WHEN HE'S SAYING BY MOSELEY ARCHITECT WILLIE, I DID SO.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A FLAG AND HAVING A LIGHT ON IT.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF IT. YOU RUN A FLAG AT NIGHT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A LIGHT ON.
AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A LIGHT ON IT, THEY DO HAVE FLAGS UP IN.
THE LIGHTS ARE ON ON THE FLAGS THAT ARE UP.
YOU CAN GET THEM WHERE IT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN ON AS LONG AS THE LIGHT'S GOT A FLAG ON IT IS WHAT THE RULE NORMALLY IS.
YEAH, EVERYBODY OK WITH HIM MOVING FORWARD, JUST TO AT LEAST JUST HAVEN'T JUST HAVEN'T COME UP WITH A FEW IDEAS.
THANK YOU, MR. ROSS. MS. CHAIRMAN THAT COMPLETES HER AGENDA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THE BOARD MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS THAT YOU NEED BEFORE YOU ADJOURN SEEING BOARD REMEMBER HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO BRING UP FOR THE WORK SESSION? I'M GOOD.
OK. MR., STOKE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I THINK WE'RE GOOD, SIR.
YEAH. A BOARD FIVE O'CLOCK CLOSED SESSION, RIGHT? BOARD MEMBERS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED ALL THE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT TO OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING ON OCTOBER THE TWENTY SIX AT 5:00 P.M.. I'M SORRY.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED BY MR. HUNTER AND SECOND BY MRS WAYMACK THAT WE WOULD ADJOURN TO OUR NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULE MEETING. OCTOBER TO TWENTY SIX AT 5:00 P.M.
MRS. KNOTT WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MRS. WAYMACK? YES, MR. HUNTER. MR. WEBB. YES, MR. BROWN. YES.
MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.