ALL RIGHT. CALLING OUR SPECIAL MEETING OF JULY 7, 2022 TO ORDER.
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ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MAYOR DEASY.HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS? PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI? HERE. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? THANK YOU AND COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS UUR MISSION STATEMENT PLEASE? HONOR TO DO SO, MR. MAYOR.
THE MISSION OF THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF IS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU. AND VICE MAYOR WOULD YOU MIND GIVING OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT, PLEASE? THE FLAGSTAFF CITY COUNCIL HUMBLY ACKNOWLEDGES THE ANCESTRAL HOMELANDS OF THIS AREA'S INDIGENOUS NATIONS AND ORIGINAL STEWARDS.
THESE LANDS STILL INHABITED BY NATIVE DESCENDANTS, BORDER MOUNTAINS SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
WE HONOR THEM THEIR LEGACIES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR CONTINUED CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE CELEBRATE THEIR PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO WILL FOREVER KNOW THIS PLACE AS HOME.
[4. JWP Extension, Phase I and II - Proposed Alignments Council approval on final alignment, alternative or original, for JWP Extension, Phase I and II - Proposed Alignments to continue a 30% design and begin the planning process.]
THAT BRINGS US TO AGENDA ITEM 4 JWP EXTENSION, PHASE ONE AND TWO, PROPOSED ALIGNMENTS AND WELCOME OUR STAFF FOR PRESENTATION. I WILL NOTE AS WE SET THIS UP, WE ARE A BIT ON A TIME CRUNCH TODAY.JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE AND SO COUNCIL MEMBERS IF WE CAN KEEP OUR QUESTIONS, COMMENTARY, CONCISE THAT WILL HELP US BE ABLE TO HEAR THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND ENSURE WE HAVE AN EFFICIENT MEETING THAT GETS ALL VOICES HEARD.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, DAVID PETERSON, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT MANAGER.
TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON THE JOHN WESLEY POWELL EXTENSION, ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED LAST WEEK IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH THE COUNCIL.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A CONTEXT MAP OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THE ROAD WOULD SERVICE IN THE GREEN CIRCLES, APPROXIMATELY THAT 2200 ACRE AREA JUST SOUTH OF BUTLER AND JUST EAST OF THE CURRENT TERMINUS OF JOHN WESLEY POWELL.
TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION OR THIS AFTERNOON'S PRESENTATION IS A LITTLE LONGER THAN LAST.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF AN AGENDA TO GO THROUGH HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT CROSSINGS, GRADE SEPARATED CROSSINGS, WILDLIFE CROSSINGS, ALIGNMENTS, EITHER ALIGNMENT AND WHAT CROSSINGS ARE NECESSARY ON THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT VERSUS THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT.
KIND OF ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THOSE.
COST COMPARISON, GO INTO ENGINEERING STANDARDS, BRIEFLY, I PROMISE ON MINOR ARTERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND THEN TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE REGIONAL MAP AT A LARGER SCALE THAN WE SHOWED LAST WEEK.
AND THEN SOME CROSS SECTION EXAMPLES OF CURRENT EXISTING JOHN WESLEY POWELL.
SO WILDLIFE CROSSINGS IN GENERAL MAINTAIN A NATURAL BOTTOM.
THEY TYPICALLY HAVE DIRT OR GRASS OR NATIVE VEGETATION AROUND.
THEY DO NOT HAVE A PAVED BOTTOM.
DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THOSE ANIMALS, SMALLER ANIMALS REQUIRE SMALLER PASSAGES, LARGER ANIMALS, UNGULATES, ELK, DEER REQUIRE A LARGER OPENING AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE IS THE PREFERENCE, THAT SAID, BUT USUALLY A MINIMUM OF ABOUT 12 FOOT HEIGHT OF VERTICAL CLEARANCE.
AND THEN THERE'S A PREFERENCE TO AVOID COMBINING HUMANS WITH ANIMALS UNLESS YOU'RE OPENING IS VERY LARGE, WHICH BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE IN MOST SITUATIONS TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
FOR PEOPLE CROSSINGS PER OUR ENGINEERING STANDARDS, IT'S A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF NINE FEET.
WE TRY TO STRIVE FOR TEN FEET AND THEN FOR WIDTH.
BUT FOR EVERY ADDITIONAL TEN FOOT INCREMENT OVER 50 FEET, WE ADD A FOOT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE 100 FOOT UNDERPASS, IT WOULD BE 19 FEET WIDE.
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SO IT WOULD BE WIDER THAN THAT 14 FOOT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT'S LONGER THAN 50 FEET.AND THEN TYPICALLY WE PROVIDE LIGHTING.
UNLIKE WILDLIFE, UNDERPASSES, WILDLIFE DON'T LIKE LIGHTING.
SO PEDESTRIANS LIKE IN [INAUDIBLE] UNIVERSITY THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED WITH SHEEP CROSSING, WE LIGHT THOSE UNDERPASSES AND THEN TYPICALLY WE TRY NOT TO COMBINE DRAINAGE WITH HUMANS UNLESS YOU CAN VERTICALLY OFFSET THEM OR DO SO IN A CAPACITY THAT DOESN'T COMPROMISE THE HUMAN USE OF THAT TUNNEL.
WE'LL GO INTO THESE A LITTLE FURTHER IN DEPTH AS WE GO ON IN THE PRESENTATION.
I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THAT THIS PINK LINE IS THE EXISTING ARIZONA TRAIL, AND THE PURPLE LINE IS THE PROPOSED INTERNALLY PROPOSED REALIGNMENT OF THE ARIZONA TRAIL. SO AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T ACQUIRED THE EASEMENTS OR THE RIGHTS TO THAT PROPERTY.
JUST WHAT IS PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.
HOFMANN TANK WILL BE REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF TIMES THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S JUST EAST OF THAT B CROSSING WEST, THE B CROSSING EXCUSE ME, THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN IS SHOWN BY THIS BLUE TONALITY HERE.
AND THEN THE [INAUDIBLE], WHICH IS THE LOWEST POINT OF THAT STREAM CHANNEL, IS SHOWN IN BLUE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN SHOWN ACROSS HERE FOR THE RIO.
AND THEN JUST FOR REFERENCE, WHAT CURRENTLY SERVICES THE LARGE EXCUSE ME, SMALL PARCEL PROPERTY OWNERS WHICH CONTINUE OFF TO THE RIGHT OR THE EAST SIDE OF THIS MAP IS HAROLD RANCH ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN ADDED TO THIS EXHIBIT HERE, COMING ALONG HERE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, THE DRAINAGE CROSSINGS FOR C AND D ON THE RIO ARE DESIGNED FOR A 100 YEAR EVENT, AND THEN THESE OTHER CROSSINGS ON A AND B ARE DESIGNED FOR THE 50 YEAR EVENT, WHICH ARE DEFINED BY FEMA.
SO SOME OF THE CROSSING EXAMPLES THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT FOR ALL FOUR OF THESE WOULD BE SOMETHING EITHER CONCRETE OR A CORRUGATED METAL, OR USUALLY THE TWO PREFERENCES FOR STRUCTURES TO ALLOW PASSAGE UNDERNEATH A ROADWAY.
THE CONCRETE ONES CAN GET REALLY ORNATE ON THESE WING WALLS AND THESE HEAD WALLS.
YOU CAN STAMP THE CONCRETE, YOU CAN COLOR THE CONCRETE, YOU CAN DO A ROCK VENEER.
THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF OPTIONS WITH WHAT YOU CAN DO TO ACTUALLY FACE THE FACADE.
OBVIOUSLY, THOSE HAVE COSTS TO DO.
AND DOWN HERE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A KIND OF A CMU MASONRY WALL TO INCREASE THE ESTHETICS.
SO LOOKING AT THAT 12 FEET VERSUS WHAT MIGHT BE CALCULATED TO PASS STORM DRAINAGE, WHICH MIGHT BE SIGNIFICANTLY SHORTER BUT WOULD BE INCREASED IN CAPACITY FOR WILDLIFE TO TRAVEL IN AND OUT OF THERE. SO A STRUCTURE LIKE THIS AND THE BOTTOM ONE, THIS CORRUGATED METAL MIGHT BE USED IN C OR D CROSSINGS OR POTENTIALLY DEPENDING ON THE CALCULATIONS OF DESIGN, MAYBE MORE THAN ONE OF THOSE BASED ON WHAT THE FLOW IS AND WHAT THE FINAL DESIGN COMES TO WITH WILDLIFE CROSSINGS.
BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE WILDLIFE CROSSING NATURAL BOTTOM ON THIS ONE AND THIS ONE AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE NOT PAVED UNDERNEATH.
IT IS THE NATURAL LOCAL ENVIRONMENT THAT IS THE FLOOR OF THOSE TUNNELS.
AND HANNAH GRISCOM HAS JOINED US.
THANK YOU, HANNAH, FOR JOINING US.
I DID OUR PART TO SUMMARIZE THIS THERE WONDERFUL POINTS INTO ONE SLIDE HERE AND I THINK ARIZONA GAME AND FISH FOR THEIR PARTNERSHIP BOTH LOOKING BACK AND LOOKING FORWARD THEY WILL BE PART OF DESIGN GOING FORWARD WITH EITHER ALIGNMENT, WORKING WITH US AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE WILDLIFE FRIENDLINESS AND CONNECTIVITY AND CORRIDORS INTO THE DESIGN. SO AS MENTIONED LAST WEEK WITH THE SMALL PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND THOSE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE OUT HERE, THERE IS ABUNDANT ELK POPULATIONS HERE.
NO BIG SURPRISE, WILDLIFE SEEKS WATER, EVEN IF THAT WATER SOURCE IS INTERMITTENT.
SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT HOFMANN TANK, WHICH HAS WATER ON OCCASION AND AS WELL AS THE RIO, WHICH MORE FREQUENTLY HAS WATER, AND THAT CONNECTIVITY FROM THE FOREST SERVICE LAND TO THE SOUTH OF THIS AREA, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE SMALL PARCEL PROPERTY OWNERS, TO KEEP THAT CONNECTIVITY TO WATER AND ACCESS TO WATER AS WELL AS THERE IS MOVEMENT TOWARDS FOX
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GLEN PARK. IF YOU'VE BEEN TOWARDS FOX PARK, YOU CAN OFTEN SEE THE SCAT TRAILS IN THE PARK AND THE GRASSLANDS THERE.SO THEY COMMONLY MIGRATE THROUGH THE RIO CORRIDOR AS WELL.
AND THEN MITIGATION. ONE THING THEY REALLY STRESSED WAS THAT MITIGATION IS A REALLY HOLISTIC OR SYNERGISTIC APPROACH OR IF YOU'RE TRAVELING, A GREAT EXAMPLE IS SOUTH OF MUNNS PARK AND I17 WHERE YOU HAVE THAT EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU KIND OF HAVE THOSE MOUNTAINS OR ESCAPE ROUTES SO THAT IF ELK GET TRAPPED IN BETWEEN THE FENCE, THEY HAVE A WAY OF GETTING OUT AND THERE'S UNDERPASSES AS WELL.
THAT'S THEIR PREFERENCE AND THAT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
THIS AREA, SPECIFICALLY THIS LITTLE GREEN PENINSULA THAT COMES DOWN HERE TOWARDS HOFMANN TANK FROM THE FLOODPLAIN, WAS ACTUALLY PRIORITIZED AS THEIR TOP PRIORITY FOR ACQUIRING FOR OPEN SPACE FOR THE CITY.
SO I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THEIR THUNDER.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE COMING HERE IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR FOR BRINGING THAT FORTH TO COUNCIL.
AND WE'VE APPROXIMATED THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT ON THIS SCREEN AS WELL.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL AND THE ALTERNATIVE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OPEN SPACE AS WELL AS THIS IMAGE WAS ACTUALLY SHARED IN OCTOBER OF 2020 WITH COUNCIL AS PART OF THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK.
I WANTED TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THE BLUE AND GREEN ALIGNMENTS THAT WERE SHOWN BRIEFLY LAST WEEK.
THESE LINE WORKS WERE CONCEPTUALIZED BY THE DESIGN TEAM REALLY EARLY ON WHEN WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION TO INVESTIGATE AN ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT BASED ON WHAT WE KNEW AT THE TIME, AND VERY INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH LARGE PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS, NOT ALL THE LARGE PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO LAST WEEK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY GOING BACK AND REVISITING THIS, BUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS HAS BEEN REVISITING THAT AND SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING WHAT WOULD WORK IN THE CONTEXT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY EITHER ARE DEVELOPING OR WILL DEVELOP OR DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE ARE LARGE PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS OUT HERE THAT DON'T HAVE A PLAN ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THEIR LAND.
BUT WE'RE WILLING TO PARTNER TO MAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY HAPPEN.
SO TO BE COGNIZANT OF A MIDDLE GROUND FOR THEM, WHAT THEY PRESENTED WAS THE SALMON LINE.
AND THE SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE EXPRESSED THAT IF THE SALMON LINE WERE TO MOVE, THAT THE PARTNERSHIP WOULD DISSOLVE AND THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT WOULD NOT BE CONDUCIVE TO PLANS FOR THEIR PROPERTY.
SO I HOPE THAT BRINGS A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDING.
A BACKGROUND OF THE BLUE AND THE GREEN LINES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE QUANTITIES FOR ASPHALT, CONCRETE OR FUTS TRAILS, LOOKING IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS A TWO LANE ROAD, EITHER ALIGNMENT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS A TWO LANE ROAD FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO PART OF THAT IS, IS LOOKING AT THE THE CALCULATIONS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A MONETARY VALUE, WHICH ACTUALLY IN TODAY'S CLIMATE IS QUITE CHALLENGING TO DO, AS WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER PROJECTS HERE AT THE CITY.
AND THEN AGAIN JUST REMINDING THAT PER 419 APPROVAL IT WAS FUNDING 40% OF A FINAL ALIGNMENT.
AND THEN, AS PROMISED BRIEFLY, THE MINOR ARTERIAL ENGINEERING CRITERIA.
SO I'LL JUST READ THIS BRIEFLY.
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THE MINOR ARTERIALS PROVIDE CAPACITY AND CONTINUITY FOR TRAVEL BETWEEN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS OF THE REGION.SO TYPICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT MINOR ARTERIALS, THE DESIGN SPEED IS 40 MILES PER HOUR, THE MAXIMUM GRADE IS 6%, AND THEN A MEDIAN IS REQUIRED, AND THAT MEDIAN CAN UNDULATE IN WIDTH DEPENDING ON WHERE TURN LANES COME ABOUT FOR INTERSECTIONS.
AND THEN IT'S TWO OR FOUR LANES DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC VOLUME.
BUT AGAIN, THIS ONE WILL BE DESIGNED AS A TWO LANE ROAD, NOT A FOUR LANE ROAD TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
PARKWAYS, SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.
AND I WANTED TO TOUCH ALSO ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND THEN WE ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED TO COME TO COUNCIL IN FALL.
THAT'S WHAT THE MAY UPDATE TO THE SMALL PARTS OF PROPERTY OWNERS HAD STATED THAT THE DECISION WOULD BE MADE IN THE FALL, BUT IT WAS EXPEDITED BASED ON DEVELOPMENT IN CANYON DEL RIO AND THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LARGE PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND REALLY WANTING TO HAVE DIRECTION BEFORE COUNCIL RECESS SO THAT PROGRESS CAN BE MADE DURING THAT TIME OF THE SUMMER AS WELL. SO BUT IT WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY NEEDS FOR CANYON DEL RIO, ESPECIALLY AS THEY LOOK TO CONTINUE THEIR DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF WHAT WOULD BE THE SALMON LINE, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS CRITICAL TO THEIR BACKBONE AS FAR AS HOW THEY'RE DEVELOPING THAT.
AND IT WILL STATE HERE TOO THAT CAPSTONE HOMES IS PRESENT.
MAYOR, YOU HAD STATED LAST WEEK FOR AN UPDATE WITH CANYON DEL RIO THEY ARE PRESENT.
IF COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE AN UPDATE AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME.
MR. ROTEN IS HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
THEN THIS WAS SHARED LAST, LAST WEEK AS WELL WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
OTHER THAN THAT, THIS SLIDE REALLY HASN'T CHANGED, OTHER THAN ADDING LAST WEEK'S MEETING UP HERE.
AND THEN I ENLARGED THIS MAP BECAUSE I THINK LAST WEEK IT WAS ENLARGED.
BUT I THINK IT COULD BE A LITTLE LARGER TO SHARE THE INTENT HERE.
THIS MAGENTA LINE IS NOT IN THE REGIONAL PLAN, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE ORIGINAL LINE IS THIS BLUE FUTURE MINOR MATERIAL THAT'S SHOWN IN THE REGIONAL PLAN, AND THEN MOST OF THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT IS SHOWN.
HERE IS A FUTURE MINOR COLLECTOR AND THEN A MAJOR, MAJOR, MINOR.
EXCUSE ME FOR WHAT IS HAROLD RANCH ROAD.
SO THAT ONE ACTUALLY THE THIS WOULD SERVE A CONSIDERABLE CONTRIBUTION TO AN ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT.
AND THEN, AS I PROMISED, THERE'S TWO CROSS SECTIONS HERE.
SO THIS IS EXISTING JOHN WESLEY POWELL.
AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN DESIGN CURRENTLY WITH THIS IS BETWEEN LAKE MARY ROAD AND I BELIEVE IT'S LINKS DRIVE THAT GOES INTO PINE CANYON. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S A CENTER MEDIAN.
THERE'S TWO LANES OF TRAVEL, THERE'S A FUTS TRAIL ON ONE SIDE AND THIS ONE JUST HAS A SHOULDER.
I LIKE THE NEXT EXAMPLE A LITTLE BETTER.
THIS ONE SHOWS THE OFF STREET SIDEWALK AS ON STREET BIKE LANES, TWO LANES OF TRAVEL, MEDIAN TURN LANE AND A FUTS TRAIL. SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST REAL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WAS CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED, BUT WE WOULD BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL ONCE WE DETERMINE A FINAL ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE DESIGN PLANS AND MAKE SURE THAT BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS ARE GEARED FOR
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DIRECTION OF COUNCIL.SO IT'S I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE NOW IS FINALIZED.
THERE'S CERTAINLY FLEXIBILITY.
THE TEAM WOULD BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO REVIEW THAT DESIGN WITH COUNCIL.
AND IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE OR THE COUNCIL WOULD WISH TO HEAR FROM MR. ROWDEN, HE IS AVAILABLE AS WELL.
HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN SOME QUESTIONS HERE FROM COUNCIL.
I DO HAVE ONE OF MY OWN, BUT LET'S SAVE THE DISCUSSION TILL AFTER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME PULL UP. MAKE SURE COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI? THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, DAVID, FOR THE PRESENTATION AND YOUR WORK ON THIS.
SO A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
IS THERE A WAY TO CAP THIS PROJECT 2 TO 3 LANES VERSUS KEEPING THAT DOOR OPEN? GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, JEFF BOWMAN, TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND ACTING CITY ENGINEER.
SO THE MINOR, THESE THE ROAD AND THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT AND THE SALMON ALIGNMENT ARE BOTH MINOR ARTERIALS, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY TWO LANES OR FOUR LANES BASED ON TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S BEEN OUR PROPOSAL TO DATE.
THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY, AS ON THIS MAP IS A GOOD MAP AS LITTLE AMERICA BUILDS OUT AS SYMMETRY AND DIPPER POINT BUILD OUT AND GIBSON DEPENDING ON THEIR DENSITY, THE NEED COULD BE THERE FOR FOUR LANES.
BUT WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO KEEP THAT SPACE AVAILABLE.
BUT YOU DO HAVE. YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A CHOICE.
OKAY. THANK YOU, JEFF.JUST TO FOLLOW UP, I WAS LATE TO THE UNMUTE BUTTON, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE TOWARDS A TWO LANE ROAD WHILE JUST KEEPING AN EASEMENT FOR A FOUR LANE ROAD.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S CORRECT. IT COULD BE A VERY LONG TIME.
THIS ALIGNMENT. NOT TO GET INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT THIS ALIGNMENT DOESN'T CARRY A LOT OF THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM THE COMMUNITY FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER BECAUSE IT PARALLELS THE INTERSTATE. THE INTERSTATE IS ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE A HIGHER SPEED AND CAN BE MORE CONVENIENT FOR MOST CROSS TRIPS.
THE MAJORITY OF TRIPS ON THIS ROAD ARE BEING DEVELOPED THROUGH THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY. THANKS, JEFF, AND MY APOLOGIES FOR CUTTING YOU OFF THERE, COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE THE POINTS.
OH, TOTALLY. I'LL GET. AND, JEFF, DON'T SIT DOWN QUITE YET.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL HE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN.
JEFF, CAN WE. CAN WE LESSEN THE SPEED TO, LIKE, 25 HERE? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO DO? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
AND THAT HAS AND THAT HAS A LOT TO DO AGAIN WITH THESE LONGER TRIPS THAT ARE IN ARTERIAL HANDLES.
I DON'T THINK 25 WOULD BE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR PEOPLE ON AN ARTERIAL UNLESS THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY ALONG AND ADJACENT TO THE ROAD WAS SOMETHING REALLY DENSE BUILDINGS FOR BIG SIDEWALKS LIKE THROUGH A DOWNTOWN AREA.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING HERE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, AGAIN, STANDARD IS 40 AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING 35.
YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
COUNCIL. I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'M AT ON THAT.
LESS SPEED THE BETTER, IN MY OPINION.
AND THEN, JEFF, JUST A COUPLE MORE QUICK QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE RIGHT AWAY TO DO A FUTS TRAIL ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD? YES, WE DO.
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AND WE DEFINITELY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SWITCH THOSE BIKE LANES FROM IN THE STREET TO BACK OF CURB.THAT'S A DESIGN DETAIL WHERE WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE ALIGNMENT TODAY.
WE'LL BE BACK IN THE FUTURE TO TALK ABOUT DESIGN WHEN WE GET THERE.
ARE THERE ANY SECTIONS OF EITHER ALIGNMENT OF WHICH SOUNDPROOFING WALLS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED? AGAIN, WE'RE NOT INTO DESIGN LEVEL DETAILS FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SORT OUT THE ALIGNMENTS.
IF COUNCIL WANTED TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION TO LOOK INTO SOUND WALLS, WE COULD.
BUT WE'RE NOT THERE WITH THE PROJECT YET.
WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.
OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI.
COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE? I'M SORRY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK UP THERE.
PROBABLY. AGAIN, YOU SHOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL HE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN.[INAUDIBLE] I MEAN, EITHER OF YOU PROBABLY CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP LAST TIME IN THE CONVERSATION AND FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND GOING INTO SOME OF THE DEEPER DETAILS OF THE BACKGROUND OF THIS.
BUT ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS THAT CAME UP WAS THE PRESERVATION AND SAFETY FOR THE WELLS FOR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OUT IN THAT AREA AND BEING OUT AND SEEING IT.
I KNOW THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR MANY OF THOSE RESIDENTS.
SO HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO THAT AT THIS POINT OR, SORRY YOU COULD HAVE SAT DOWN.
COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO WATER SERVICES TO INQUIRE ABOUT, WELL, STUDIES AND WATER IN THIS AREA.
WE ARE ALSO TALKING WITH A SMALL PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNER PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, TOO.
AND IN WANTING TO BALANCE A DELICATE BALANCE BETWEEN HOW FAR DO YOU GO IN DESIGN AND STUDIES BEFORE, YOU KNOW, AN ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN CHOSEN? SO WE'VE BEEN ERRING ON THE SIDE OF BEING WISE STEWARDS WITH TAXPAYER MONEY BEFORE WE KNOW WHICH ALIGNMENT TO GO WITH.
AND THEN ONCE WE KNOW THAT ALIGNMENT, THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE STUDIES THAT ARE IMPACTING, WELL, WATER, WILDLIFE, WHATEVER THE FACETS ARE THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR APPROPRIATE DESIGN AND FOR THE LEVEL OF COMFORT FOR COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THE ONE QUESTION I HAD IS REGARDING REGARDING THE COST.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ABOUT EQUIVALENT WHETHER, ORIGINAL ROUTE, ALTERNATE ROUTE.
BUT WHAT IS THE COST DIFFERENTIAL EXPECTED FOR DOING THAT BLUE OR GREEN ROUTE? AND YEAH, THE WAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME AS IS THAT THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN AS MAYOR.
THE CALCULATIONS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE ON ANY OF THE ALIGNMENTS.
SO THERE WAS NOT EVEN DESIGN DONE ON THOSE.
IT WAS LOOKING AT SOME TOPOGRAPHY TO SEE HOW A LINE MAY ALIGN, BUT NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THE VERTICAL OR HORIZONTAL CURVES OR ANY RUDIMENTARY ENGINEERING DONE ON THOSE TWO LINES.
THAT PROBABLY CAN BE SAID RELATIVELY CONCLUSIVELY.
SO IT'S ALL QUANTITATIVELY BASED.
BUT IT'S TOO INITIAL IN THE DESIGN TO HAVE ANY ACTUAL DOLLAR VALUES FOR AN ALIGNMENT.
BUT WE CAN QUALITATIVELY SAY THESE TWO ARE SIMILAR GREEN AND BLUE ARE LIKELY MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SHORTER. GOTCHA.
WHEN, I WAS OUT THERE, JUST LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHY.
I WAS CONCERNED IF A BRIDGE WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED.
AND THAT CERTAINLY ESCALATES COSTS QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY.
AND THAT WAS REALLY MY CONCERN.
LOOK AT THAT. SO LET ME PUT THIS ONE UP HERE, MAYOR.
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AS A BURIED WHAT'S CALLED A BURIED STRUCTURE.SO IT CAN BE EARTHEN FILLED WITH ONE OF THOSE CORRUGATED METAL PIPE THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION TO MAKE THAT AS A MORE AFFORDABLE CROSSING VERSUS HAVING AN ELEVATED AT GRADE BRIDGE.
SO THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR MAKING CROSSINGS A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE.
DOES THAT HELP ANSWER? THAT DOES THAT WAS JUST ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS WAS IF WE'RE PUTTING IN A BRIDGE HERE THAT IS EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE AND WITH LOOKING AT WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT POSSIBILITIES NECESSARILY WOULD EXIST TO PREVENT HAVING TO PUT A BRIDGE IN ANY ONE OF THE ROUTES WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE STILL KIND OF IN THE BRAINSTORMING STAGE.
GOOD [INAUDIBLE] OFF HERE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE MOVE TO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION? ALL RIGHT I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN THE CHAT EITHER.
MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL, THANKS FOR LISTENING TO ME.
SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ MY LETTER THAT I SENT OUT.
THANKS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DID RESPOND BACK.
AND WHEN WE DESIGNED OUR HOUSE, WE MET WITH CITY.
YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO J.W.
POWELL, WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW TODAY.
WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO WAS NOT THE J.W.
IT WAS A 130 FOOT WIDE WITH A 12 FOOT RETAINING WALL 45 FEET OFF OF MY FRONT DOOR.
YOU KNOW, I'M FOR DEVELOPMENT.
I'M A CONTRACTOR HERE IN TOWN.
I MOVED BACK. I'VE RAISED MY KIDS.
I'VE GRADUATED HERE, YOU KNOW.
ALL THESE LARGE PARCEL OWNERS HAVE AGREED TO IT AT SOME EXTENT THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
THE ORIGINAL OPTION IS GOING TO TAKE MY LAND.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE QUITE A BIT OF LAND FROM A LOT OF SMALL PARCEL OWNERS.
AND SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE'RE NOT LETTING THEM ABSORB THE IMPACT RATHER THAN US THAT LIVE HERE, THAT CONTRIBUTE THAT HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT CONTRIBUTE, THAT HAVE YOU KNOW STAKE IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PARCEL OWNERS LIVE HERE.
SOME OF THESE LARGE PARCEL OWNERS LIVE HERE.
I KNOW THAT. SO THEY CONTRIBUTE, BUT NOT IN THE ASPECT THAT I SEE.
THAT'S VALUE TO ME AS FAR AS WILDLIFE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE IMPACT WILDLIFE.
I SEE 100 ELK WALK THROUGH MY FRONT DOOR EVERY DAY.
MAYBE IT'S TEN YEARS, MAYBE IT'S 20 YEARS.
NOBODY CAN REALLY NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT.
BUT WE KNOW AT SOME POINT IT'LL BE FOUR LANES.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT AN APPROVED HERE.
IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH ANYBODY'S PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR THE LARGE PARCEL OWNERS.
I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE ON RIVER VALLEY.
IT'S GOING TO BE IN THEIR BACKYARD, NOT IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
AND. AND I JUST I THINK IT'S A BETTER, BETTER ALIGNMENT, IN MY OPINION.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
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BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO READ WHAT I HAVE.FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT GENTLEMAN THAT.
THE SALMON ROUTE IS NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
AND I'M SORRY THAT THE YELLOW ROUTE IS IN YOUR FRONT YARD AS WELL.
MY FAMILY IS VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE SALMON ROUTE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR AREA, HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVIDENT. THAT THESE AREAS WOULD BE IMPACTED GREATLY.
A DEVASTATING EFFECT ON OUR HOMES, PROPERTIES AND LIVES.
THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS THAT THIS ROAD EXTENSION CAN BE BUILT IN AREAS TO THE WEST.
EITHER THE ALTERNATE BLUE OR GREEN ROUTE.
THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT EXISTING HOMES, PROPERTIES AND LIVES.
THE IMPACT OF CONSTRUCTING ON THE SALMON ROUTE ARE NUMEROUS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THE THREAT OF WILDLAND FIRE.
WE SEE PRACTICALLY EVERY WEEKEND ON IE 17.
EITHER CHANGE DRAGGING ON THE ROAD OR A CARELESSLY THROWN CIGARET.
THE WIND BLOWS FROM WEST TO EAST.
ALL THE HOMES ARE TO THE EAST.
PUT CONTINENTAL ON WATCH AND ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ON WATCH.
A WILDLAND FIRE IN THAT AREA COULD BE DEVASTATING TO HUNDREDS OF HOMES AND PROPERTIES.
IT IS MITIGATION OF OPEN SPACE.
NOT TO MENTION MANY, MANY MORE.
AND LARGE PARCEL, OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS STILL BENEFIT.
THIS IS THE FAIREST ALTERNATIVE TO ALL PARTIES.
RIVER VALLEY ROAD RESIDENTS IN FAVOR OF THE SALMON ROUTE.
THANK YOU, SIR. AND WE DO HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIMELINE.
I WANTED YOU TO FINISH YOUR COMMENTARY, BUT THANK YOU.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT.
YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I REPRESENT CEMETERY COMPANIES AS A PRESIDENT.
I BELIEVE LINDSAY MAY HAVE A FEW COMMENTS TO REPRESENT US AS WELL.
BUT YOU KNOW, MY COMMENTS WOULD BE THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE SALMON ALIGNMENT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS THAT WE FEEL IT REALLY ALLOWS THIS ROAD. WE KNOW THAT THE VOTERS OF FLAGSTAFF APPROVED TO HAVE GWP EXTENDED.
IN FACT, I COULD SAY THAT THERE'S PROBABLY OF OUR 600 PLUS RESIDENTS IN PINE CANYON.
THEY LOVE THE ENJOYMENT THAT CURRENTLY GWP JUST DEAD ENDS AND THERE'S NO THROUGH TRAFFIC THERE.
SO I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THE VALUE OF PROGRESS IN GETTING A ROAD DONE.
SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN CONTEMPLATED THAT A ROAD WOULD GO HERE.
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FRAME THAN THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.WE'RE REFERRING TO HERE IS THE YELLOW ALIGNMENT.
SO WE WERE REALLY APPROACHED BY THE CITY TO LOOK AND HELP COME TO A SOLUTION.
AND I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LINDSAY MAY HAVE A FEW WORDS FOR US AS WELL, BUT JUST WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WE'RE HERE TO COLLABORATE AND HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR DO OUR PART TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO HELP ADVANCE GWP THANK YOU, MR. BERGER. COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. BURGER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IN THE SPIRIT OF COLLABORATION, IS SYMMETRY WILLING TO DONATE THE EASEMENT ON YOUR PROPERTY DONATED TO THE CITY? WE HADN'T. GREAT QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, WE HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN INTO THE OVERALL ECONOMIC IMPACT.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF A BROADER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE 40% CONTRIBUTION BY THE TAXPAYER VERSUS KIND OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY COULD OR COULD NOT BE ON THE STATE TRUST LAND.
SO WE ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO COLLABORATE AND FIND A WAY TO KIND OF PARTICIPATE TO GET IT DONE.
YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF DONATING IT.
BUT WE ARE WILLING TO BE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND HELP PARTICIPATE IN THE COST TO GET GWP DONE.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
WILL YOU KEEP THAT IN MIND? PLEASE CONSIDER DONATING THE EASEMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. BERGER. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH YOU.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DECIDE, I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SIT THROUGH THESE.
IT MEANS A LOT THAT PEOPLE STEP UP AND DO THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS BALANCING COMPETING INTERESTS AND BALANCING COMPETING NEEDS.
MR. BAIRD TO SET THE ALIGNMENT TODAY.
I WAS OUT AT THE PROPERTY FOR THE RECORD, I DO OWN A PARCEL IN RIVER VALLEY ROAD.
THERE IS NO MARKINGS ON WHAT? THE SALMON ROUTE IS OUT THERE.
SO HOW DO WE FAVOR OR EVEN COMMENT ON WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THAT IS? I WANT TO APPLAUD THE COUNCIL FOR TAKING THE RISK OF SAYING LET'S BE GOOD FIDUCIARY TAXPAYER HOLDERS AND ASKING ABOUT CONDEMNATION AND ACQUISITION FEES. IT'S SMART THAT YOU'RE ASKING THIS QUESTION.
BUT DON'T GET US IN THE POSITION, IF WE CAN, OF TRADING ONE GROUP SET OF PROBLEMS WITH ANOTHER GROUP SET OF PROBLEMS. THE ONLY ALIGNMENT THAT DOESN'T TRADE THOSE PROBLEMS, IN MY ESTIMATION, IS THE GREEN ALIGNMENT.
IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T TAKE NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR IMPACTS.
SO THE GREEN ALIGNMENT TO ME MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
WE HEARD SOME INITIAL GUESSTIMATES AND TO BE FAIR, THEIR GUESSTIMATES ON COSTS OF THAT ALIGNMENT.
IF IT'S 200 YARDS OFF THAT PROPERTY LINE, THAT MAY BE A VERY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAN IF IT'S 75 FEET OFF, THAT THERE'S AN IMPACTED UTILITY CORRIDOR THAT TOO OFTEN I THINK DEVELOPMENT USES AS OPEN SPACE.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION WE CAN THAT WE NEED TO MAKE COMMENTARY WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHERE THAT ALIGNMENT IS.
IT'S HARD. THERE'S NO MARKINGS, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, AND THAT DEFINES THE LEVEL OF IMPACT.
THE GREEN ALIGNMENT GETS AROUND THAT ALL THE WAY.
SO THE LAST THING IS, TO CONTEMPLATE THAT COMMITMENT TO CONSIDER THINGS LIKE SOUND BARRIERS, TO CONSIDER THINGS LIKE MOVING THAT ALIGNMENT AT LEAST A COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
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IT'S NOT MY PROPERTY, BUT IT IS SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS PROPERTIES OUT THERE.I JUST WANT TO SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY THEY ARE A HIGH QUALITY CALIBER GROUP.
THEY SHOULD HAVE CONFIDENCE IN LOCAL BUSINESSES.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS FOR MAKING A DIFFICULT DECISION.
THANK YOU. BRIAN [INAUDIDLE] BRIAN [INAUDIBLE], CAPSTONE HOMES.
I AM UP HERE TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THE SALMON LINE.
THE GREEN AND THE BLUE LINE HAVE BEEN STUDIED.
I APPRECIATE CITY STAFF SAYING THAT THERE ARE SHORTER ROUTES THERE, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE ROUTES.
WE'VE STUDIED THEM ON THE PRIVATE SIDE.
AND THEY CROSS THE WIDEST POINT ON THE RIO.
AND GO DOWN CLIFFS AND UPGRADE.
IT'S EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY MORE EXPENSIVE.
ANOTHER POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS.
THE ONE OWNER IN HERE THAT HAS.
PROVIDING ANY RIGHT OF WAY OR ANYTHING TO CONSTRUCTION RIGHT AWAY.
ANYTHING FOR JOHN WESLEY POWELL.
THE PROJECT IS APPROVED WITH JUST COMPLETION OF FOURTH STREET TO OUR BOUNDARY.
EXHAUSTIVELY TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A ROUTE THROUGH CANYON DEL RIO.
THAT WOULD AT LEAST IMPACT CANYON DEL RIO.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE'S CONCERN.
I VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS CONCERN.
I'VE TALKED TO MANY OF THEM ON THE YELLOW ALIGNMENT.
IT IS A TAKING OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT WILL HAPPEN.
THE CITY HAD THE PROPERTY AT ONE TIME AND AN EASEMENT.
THE CITY RELINQUISHED THAT IN THE NINETIES.
AND IS NOW PROPOSING TAKING THAT PROPERTY AGAIN.
THAT IS. IN MY OPINION, BE A VERY, EXTREMELY TOUGH FIGHT.
SO. IN THE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY, TRYING TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO FIND AN ALTERNATE THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE TAKING OF OF ANYBODY'S PROPERTY EXCEPT THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO GIVE IT IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THE SALMON ALIGNMENT.
IT WAS NOT AN EASY DISCUSSION.
IT WAS HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF NEGOTIATION AND DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER SMALL, SMALL PARCEL OWNERS DON'T WANT THE ROAD COMING ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY.
KENNEDY DEL RIO DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT THE ROAD COMING ACROSS TO ITS PROPERTY.
CHOSE THE LEAST IMPACTFUL ALIGNMENT TO THEIR PROPERTIES.
HE'S NOT HERE. HE'S IN COLORADO TODAY.
HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FOR HIS KIDS.
HE'S CHOSEN THE LEAST IMPACTFUL ALIGNMENT.
JUST LIKE RIVER VALLEY ROAD WAS PUT ON HIS PROPERTY AND PROPERTY LINE.
THEY ARE A PROPERTY OWNER, JUST LIKE A SMALL PROPERTY OWNER, BUT A LARGE PROPERTY OWNER.
IT'S STILL A TAKING OF THEIR PROPERTY.
I THINK WE HAVE THE BEST SOLUTION.
WE'VE LOOKED AT WILDLIFE, WE'VE LOOKED AT FLOODPLAIN, WE'VE LOOKED AT CROSSING.
WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT COST AND DESIGN.
BECAUSE THAT IMPACTS US GREATLY.
THIS IS THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE PREFER IS THE ALTERNATE OR THE SALMON ALIGNMENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
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MR. [INAUDIBLE], I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.IN YOUR EXPERIENCE BECAUSE YOU'RE I BELIEVE YOU'RE ALSO INVOLVED WITH SYMMETRY, CORRECT? YES, I'M A PARTNER.
SO BETWEEN SYMMETRY AND CANYON DEL RIO.
AND YOU'RE ALSO INVOLVED WITH JUNIPER POINT? YES, I OWN JUNIPER POINT, A PORTION OF THE SYMMETRY PROPERTY AND CANYON DEL RIO.
WELL INVOLVING THOSE THREE PROPERTIES.
HOW MUCH IN PRIVATE DOLLARS HAVE THIS COMPANY SPENT IN CONDUCTING YOUR STUDIES, IN WORKING WITH THE CITY, IN COMING UP WITH THE NEW ALIGNMENT? I, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE SYMMETRY, PETER, RUNS THAT.
WE'RE JUST AN INVESTOR IN THERE.
AT CANYON DEL RIO. I WOULD SUSPECT WE'VE SPENT 50 TO 100000 AND IN DESIGN OF OUR OWN MONEY TRYING TO GET THAT ROAD PLACED IN THE BEST POSITION.
ON THAT PORTION THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THE ROAD.
WE WILL SPEND ABOUT $30 MILLION IN THE GROUND THIS YEAR OUT THERE.
THAT'S FOR THE BUTLER IMPROVEMENTS AND THE WATER LINE THAT YOU GUYS EXTENDED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND SITE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
SO. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS THE SAME QUESTION I'VE ASKED MR. BURGER IS WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER DONATING THE EASEMENT SLASH RIGHT OF WAY AS WE BUILD THIS ALIGNMENT.
THROUGH WHERE? THROUGH? DONATING, THE EASEMENT AND RIGHT OF WAY TO THE CITY AS WE BUILT THIS.
WELL RIGHT AWAY WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF.
[INAUDIBLE] DO WE? THE CITY GETS A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I GUESS SINCE WE HAVE MR. [INAUDIBLE] HERE.
JUST KIND OF. LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN HERE.
SHOULD THE CITY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OLD ALIGNMENT? WILL IT IMPACT YOUR PROPERTY? YELLOW LIGHT? NO.
SO. CANYON DEL RIO CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD.
WHETHER THE OLD ALIGNMENT OR THE NEW ALIGNMENT.
OPTED TO SUPPORT THE NEW ALTERNATE ALIGNMENT, THE SALMON LINE.
IN COLLABORATION WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AND WORKING WITH CITY STAFF? YES, I THINK THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR.
THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF TO ACTUALLY PLAN.
TO PLAN UTILITIES OVER A FAIRLY LARGE SWATH OF PROPERTY.
IT'S ACTUALLY TWO LANES IN A MEDIAN TURN TURN LANES UNTIL IT'S NEEDED.
I THINK IT IS UNWISE FOR THE CITY OF FLAGSTAFF TO ACCEPT A MINOR ARTERIAL DEDICATION THAT'S SMALLER THAN THE MINOR ARTERIAL SIZE BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN END UP IN 30 OR 40 YEARS.
WITH THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS.SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI OR ASLAN HAVE A QUESTION.
THANK YOU. JONATHAN SOUTHWORTH.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE SACRIFICES YOU MADE TO BE HERE TODAY.
FIRST, LET'S ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT.
IN NO SMALL WORDS, IT'S TAKEN 13 BILLION YEARS OF STAR STUFF COLLIDING WITH EACH OTHER, FORMING PLANETS, AND EVENTUALLY COMING TOGETHER TO FORM THE WONDERFUL EARTH AND PEOPLE THAT ARE GATHERED HERE TODAY.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE SCALE AT WHICH WE ALL LIVE.
IN MY STUDIES IN UNIVERSITY, A COMMON FRAMEWORK MY PROFESSORS LIKED TO EXAMINE KNOWLEDGE WITH.
THERE IS A THREE STEP PROCESS.
FIRST, THE SUBJECT LIES ON THE SIDE OF IGNORANCE SIMPLICITY AND ANSWER WILL ALWAYS SEEM OBVIOUS.
THEN A WORLD OF COMPLEXITY WIDE, VAST AND DEEP OPENS UP ALL AT ONCE.
THIS IS THE HARDEST PLACE TO NAVIGATE.
IT IS WHERE IT IS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROAD HAS BEEN UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE ARRIVED AT THIS EDUCATED SIMPLICITY THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT EASY.
DECISIONS WITH THIS SORT OF LEGACY NEVER ARE LONG AFTER ALL OF US AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN ARE GONE.
THE CONCRETE THAT WE DECIDE TO POUR WILL STAY IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT.
WITH THAT, LET'S RETURN TO THIS PRESENT MOMENT.
IT'S THE ROUTE THAT CONSIDERS THE NEEDS OF EVERYONE IN FLAGSTAFF ITS THE ROUTE THAT I SUPPORT BECAUSE TO NOT SUPPORT IT WOULD BE TO SACRIFICE SOMEONE ELSE'S PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. AND WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.
I HAVE EMPATHY FOR EACH OF YOU IN THIS ROOM.
I UNDERSTAND HOW FRUSTRATING AND PERSONAL THIS ALL IS, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF OURSELVES.
PROGRESS CAN SUCK SOMETIMES, BUT WE HAVE THE POWER RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BETTER.
TO BUILD FLAGSTAFF A LITTLE STRONGER.
TO MAKE THE KIND OF CITY THAT LISTENS AND THEN TAKES ACTIONS BASED ON WHAT IT KNOWS TO BE TRUE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JONATHAN.
PROUD DAD MOMENT, RIGHT? THATS A GOOD KID, SO.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN FOR MY NEIGHBORS, FRANKLY.
I THINK BY NOW I'VE TALKED TO EACH ONE OF YOU, I THINK INDIVIDUALLY.
MY WHOLE LIFE HAS BEEN ABOUT SERVING OTHERS.
I'M ALSO A CRITICAL CARE PHYSICIAN IN THE AIR FORCE.
AND I DON'T ENVY YOUR POSITION TODAY.
AND I DO APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU, ALL OF YOU JOINING US ONLINE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, MADAM VICE MAYOR.
AND EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S DOING THIS, I KNOW IT'S HARD.
AND I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE TO THAT BRIAN RATTAN AND SYMMETRY AND LITTLE AMERICA, THEY'RE NOT BAD PEOPLE AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT A BLAME GAME OR TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS.
I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY SON.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE HERE.
YOU CAN'T DO EITHER OF THESE WITHOUT HARMING SOMEONE OUT HERE.
AND I HAVE TO ASK MYSELF AS AN OFFICER.
WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC WITH ELECTED PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT PEOPLE.
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THOSE MISSION AND VALUES.THOSE MISSION VALUES TO QUOTE THEM DIRECTLY.
HISTORICAL CHARACTER, UNIQUE CULTURAL RESOURCES AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S A RED ROUTE OR THE SALMON ROUTE, WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND RIGHT BEFORE YOU IS ALMOST A PSYCHOLOGICAL SLIGHT MANIPULATION.
YOU JUST WON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE LARGE LANDOWNERS, AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS.
AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
THANK YOU, RYAN. I'M NOT SAYING ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
QUESTION. NOW THAT I'VE HAD MORE THAN FIVE DAYS TO GET OVER, TO GET OVER THE SHOCK OF WHAT I HAD BEEN TOLD FOR THE LAST FOUR DECADES IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED IN A WINK OF AN EYE.
I HAVE LIVED ON THE RIO DE FLAG FOR FOUR PLUS DECADES, ALONG WITH THE ELK HERD.
I KNEW IN THE FUTURE THIS AREA OF THE RIO WOULD BE DEVELOPED, THAT THERE WOULD BE HOMES, THAT ALL OF THE BIGGEST, OLDEST TREES WOULD BE CUT DOWN AND SOLD FOR LUMBER.
THAT THE EAGLES, OSPREYS, HAWKS I WAS USED TO SEEING IN THOSE TREES WOULD NO LONGER BE THERE.
FLAGSTAFF IS KNOWN FOR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, HIKING, BIKING, RUNNING.
ONCE WE DESTROY THE REAL DAY FLAG AREA BEHIND LITTLE AMERICA, IT IS TOO LATE.
NOW THAT FLAG IS GROWING RAPIDLY.
THIS IS OUR ONLY CHANCE TO PRESERVE AND CONTINUE THIS RIPARIAN GREEN SPACE CORRIDOR FOR ALL OF US.
LAST SUMMER, I SPENT TIME WITH FAMILY IN DURANGO, PAGOSA SPRINGS AND SALIDA, COLORADO.
ALL OF THOSE TOWNS HAVE BEAUTIFUL, PLANNED GREEN ZONES ALONG THE RIVER.
YOU SEE FAMILIES WITH THEIR KIDS RIDING BIKES, THEIR PETS, RUNNERS, JOGGERS.
THEY GO THERE AFTER WORK AFTER THEY'VE HAD A BUSY DAY TO GET AWAY, TO RENEW, TO SPEND QUALITY TIME.
CANYON DEL RIO NOW HAS A ROAD CUT ALL THE WAY TO HERALD RANCH ROAD BY THE MAILBOX.
SEEMS THEY ARE IN A BIG HURRY TO PUT US LOCAL PEOPLE IN THIS POSITION.
SEEMS IT A GREEN ZONE IN THE FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTIES WOULD BE A GREAT SELLING POINT.
FROM MY NEIGHBORS ON FOURTH STREET.
IT SHOULD BE A TWO LANE, NOT A FOUR LANE, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE 40 MILES AN HOUR.
THEY SHOULD GET WATER, SEWER AND FIBER OPTICS FOR INTERNET.
WHY IS IT THE DEVELOPERS COME HERE? THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE HAVE DONE HOT WATER AND THEY HAVE NO SERVICES.
BUT YET THE RESIDENTS HERE DO WITHOUT.
ALL MY NEIGHBORS, ALL AROUND ME WORKING TOGETHER TO DO WHAT'S BEST I'M IN FAVOR OF.
THE GREEN ROUTE DOES NOT INVOLVE ANY OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, JUST THE LARGEST PARCEL OWNERS WHO HAVE NOTHING THERE AND THEY CAN PUT THE ROAD THERE AND DEVELOP AROUND THERE.
THAT COMPLETES THE CARDS FOR SPEAKER REQUESTS HERE IN PERSON.
SO WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE ELECTRONIC PARTICIPANTS.
MAYOR. WE HAVE TO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
OUR FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE LINDSEY GROUP.
LINDSEY, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
MAYOR. COUNCIL, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
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YES, MA'AM. PLEASE PROCEED.COUNCIL. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, SWEET COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU OR VIRTUALLY IN FRONT OF YOU.
VIRTUAL, I'M GOING TO SAY VIRTUAL ANXIETY IS REAL.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
AS YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS AREA.
SPECIFICALLY THIS AFTERNOON, I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF STATE TRUST LAND 405, WHICH IS A PETER BERGER, WHO YOU HEARD FROM WITH SYMMETRY AS WELL AS BRYAN AND LITTLE AMERICA.
AND I BELIEVE JIM HILL IS ONLINE IN ORDER TO AND HE CAN SPEAK MORE INTO LITTLE AMERICA.
BUT THIS IS AN INTERESTING SPOT FOR ME BECAUSE I'VE GOT TWO CLIENTS.
THEY'VE GOT SIMILAR INTERESTS, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT POSITION.
AND THAT'S THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE THERE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
THESE DECISIONS ARE ALWAYS DIFFICULT.
THE ORIGINAL LINE ALIGNMENT IS THE APPROVED ALIGNMENT.
IT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED BY CITY COUNCIL STAFF AND THE CITIZENS OF FLAGSTAFF FOR MANY YEARS.
THE REASON WE'RE HERE TONIGHT AND HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEW PROPOSED ALIGNMENT IS IN RESPONSE TO OBJECTIONS FROM THAT ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT OR THE YELLOW LINE NOW, AS WE LIKE TO CALL IT.
BUT THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA CAME TOGETHER IN RESPONSE TO THOSE CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT, WORKING WITH THE CITY AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO PROPOSE THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT.
AND SO AGAIN, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT SAM IN LINE, AS WE LIKE TO CALL IT, DOES REMOVE ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY WILL BE TAKEN FROM AND DEDICATED BY THE LARGE LOT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY DO PREFER THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE AND DISCUSS THE ALTERNATIVE AND HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO SAY IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT, WHAT'S ONE THAT CAN WORK FOR US? STATE TRUST LAND.
THEY PREFER THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT.
SO I TOLD YOU THE DIFFERENCES.
WHAT ARE THE SIMILARITIES? ONE. I CAN TELL YOU THEY ARE BOTH VERY.
ALL THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE OPPOSED TO THE BLUE AND GREEN ALIGNMENTS.
YOU'VE GOT A CORRESPONDENCE FROM MY OFFICE.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR THERE IS STRONG OPPOSITION TO THOSE TWO ALIGNMENTS.
WHAT ELSE DO THEY AGREE ON? THEY BOTH SUPPORT TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC.
THERE IS NO INTENTION ON BEHALF OF THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS TO HAVE A SUPERHIGHWAY THROUGH THERE.
THE [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE.
BUT IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP BECAUSE THE 3 MINUTES IS DONE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
ABSOLUTELY. AND I DIDN'T HEAR THAT ONLINE.
THE THIRD SIMILARITY BETWEEN BOTH MY CLIENTS HERE IS THEY'RE BOTH WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE AND TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY TO COME UP WITH THE BEST ALIGNMENT TO GET THIS ROAD CONSTRUCTED.
SO AND AS PETER ALLUDED TO, THE PREFERENCE OF THE SALMON ALIGNMENT IS ONLY BY A HAIR, YOU KNOW, BRIAN AND PETER WOULD BOTH MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THESE DECISIONS ARE DIFFICULT.
I ECHO WHAT MR. BABBITT SAID. YOU GUYS HAVE A TOUGH SPOT, BUT WE'RE REALLY THANKFUL YOU'RE TAKING THE TIME TO CONSIDER ALL THE OPTIONS.
THANK YOU MS. [INAUDIBLE]. COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS HAS A QUESTION.
MS. [INAUDIBLE], THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING ONLINE.
COULD YOU PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION WHY YOUR CLIENTS OPPOSE THE GREEN AND BLUE? LINES. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD SAY THE SEVERANCE OF THE PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE BIG IS ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, I COMPLIMENT CANYON DEL RIO.
GOSH, THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE IMPACT BY THIS ROAD.
AND I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CANYON DEL RIO THIS AFTERNOON, BUT AS THAT ROAD DOES THE SALMON ALIGNMENT SEVER THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT IN ORDER FOR THE BEST INTEREST TO GET THIS ROAD CONNECTED? AS FAR AS THE BLUE AND THE GREEN ALIGNMENTS, I WILL TELL YOU ON STATE TRUST LAND WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME.
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WE'RE PLANNING THAT PROPERTY AND THAT ALIGNMENT INTERFERES WITH THE PLANNING THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE.AND SO WHAT WE FEEL LIKE WITH THE SALMON ALIGNMENT, THE BURDEN IS STILL ON THE LARGE LOT.
PROPERTY OWNERS, HOWEVER, THAT BURDEN IS LESS BY THE LOCATION OF THE SALMON.
AND THERE ARE WE ARE GOING TO GET DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.
RIGHT? WE HIT THAT. THERE ARE GOING TO BE HOMES AND THERE'S BENEFITS.
THERE'S A HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE WILL THAT WILL HELP BE ACHIEVED WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.
AND SO COUNCILMAN COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE BURDEN IS STILL ON THE LARGE LOT PROPERTY OWNERS FOR ALL OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S JUST PLACED IN A WAY THAT IS LESS BURDENSOME FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE PROJECTS BECAUSE AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER THEY'RE STILL LANDOWNERS, RIGHT? AND WHETHER IT'S A SMALLER LOT OR A LARGER LOT, IT STILL IS A BURDEN AND IT STILL IS A COST.
BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE AS PARTNERS.
YEAH, I THOUGHT I ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS IF YOU HAVE MORE FOR ME TO ADD.
BUT IT'S THE BURDEN IS STILL ON THEM.
IT'S JUST IT'S A LESS BURDENSOME LOCATION FOR THEM.
THANK YOU, [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPANT ON LINE.
YES. OUR NEXT COMMENTATOR IS PETER BIRCH.
PETER, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
HI, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. PLEASE PROCEED.
HI. THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW THIS.
IT'S KIND OF RIGHT WHERE THE ORIGINAL AND THE ALTERNATE ROUTES KIND OF SPLIT THERE.
WE HAVE OWNED THAT SINCE OR MY FAMILY HAS OWNED THAT SINCE 2003.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING HAPPENING THERE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS CROSSING THE RIO TO FLAG AND I UNDERSTAND THIS ALTERNATIVE ROUTE DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE US ACCESS EITHER.
BUT AS DAVID KIND OF MENTIONED, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF MAYBE A LESS INTRUSIVE CROSSING THERE TO OUR PROPERTY AND POSSIBLY BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ON OUR OWN IN THE FUTURE.
IT SEEMS THAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET SOMETHING TO HAPPEN HERE AFTER 20, 30 YEARS OF GOING BACK AND FORTH IS IS THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.
SO ALTHOUGH I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT THIS IMPACTS IN THEIR YARDS AND EVERYTHING, IT SEEMS TO MAKE MOST SENSE TO ME TO GO THROUGH SOME FORM OF THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND SINCE THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE SEEMED ALL IN FAVOR OF THE SALMON ROUTE, IT SEEMS THAT THE BEST OPTION.
SO LIKE I SAID, I'M KIND OF IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING HAPPENING HERE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT HERE AND NOT TO GO BACK AND TABLE IT AND CONTINUE TO DISCUSS IT SEEMS LIKE AT SOME LEVEL SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO BE PLEASED AS THEY ALWAYS ARE. SO I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.
THANK YOU. I'M NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM COUNCIL FOR YOU.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL TURN IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION ON THE ALIGNMENT.
SO OPENING IT UP FOR COUNCIL COMMENTARY OR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AS NECESSARY.
COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI? THANK YOU MAYOR, I'LL START US OFF.
DAVID, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I GUESS I'M STILL STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE BLUE AND GREEN OPTIONS ARE THOSE VIABLE OPTIONS FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING? COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI.
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DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER I GUESS SO.I GUESS I WONDER WHAT THOSE IMPLICATIONS MEAN IN TERMS OF US CONTINUING TO PURSUE THAT, LET'S SAY, THE GREEN LINE, BECAUSE I'LL JUST SHARE TO ME THE GREEN LINE. OPTION FROM THE BEGINNING, IN MY OPINION.
I GUESS MY QUESTION TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL IS, DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN'T PURSUE THE GREEN OPTION? AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY? THANK YOU, MAYOR. LAST TUESDAY, I SUGGESTED THAT WE GO WITH EITHER THE GREEN OR THE BLUE OPTION.
HOWEVER, LAST THURSDAY, I WENT OUT THERE AND WALKED THIS AREA.
ACTUALLY, I TOURED ALL THE ROUTES.
WE SPENT, LIKE, 4 HOURS OUT THERE, WHICH.
YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN THERE.
IT'S A BUNCH OF LINES ON A MAP, WHICH DON'T MEAN A LOT.
BUT WHEN I ACTUALLY WENT OUT THERE TO ADDRESS MR. SHERMAN'S COMMENTS, THE GREEN AND THE BLUE LINE TO ME ARE UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE THAT IS A LARGE STRETCH OF VERY UNSPOILED RIPARIAN AREA, WHICH TO ME HAS A LOT OF VALUE.
SO I DO NOT SUPPORT THE GREEN OR BLUE ROUTES.
I THINK YOU GOT SOMEONE. MCCARTHY.
OTHER COUNCIL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. MAYBE I SHOULD GO INTO MORE DETAIL.
THERE'S NO GOOD SOLUTIONS, AND I SAY THAT KIND OF TONGUE IN CHEEK.
BUT IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.
EVERY ROUTE HAS PROBLEMS. SO THE BOTTOM LINE, AFTER I'VE SPENT 4 HOURS OUT THERE AND I LOOKED AT A TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP IN GREAT DETAIL, IS I SUPPORT THE SO CALLED SALMON ROUTE, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO SOME MINOR TWEAKS TO THAT ROUTE.
AND I'LL JUST KIND OF HOLD BACK ON THE MINOR TWEAKS UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL DECIDES WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE ORIGINAL ROUTE, THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN ME TALKING ABOUT MINOR TWEAKS ON THE SALMON ROUTE.
BUT ASSUMING THAT THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO WITH THE SALMON ROUTE, THEN I CAN TALK IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE MINOR TWEAKS WHICH WERE IN WHICH MY INTENT WILL BE TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON THE NEARBY HOMEOWNERS.
SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW, BUT I'LL COME BACK.
OKAY. OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS? JUST CURIOUS.
MR. PETERSON, HAVE YOU HEARD FROM ANY OF YOU WITH REGARD TO THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT? THE COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS.
THEY DID NOT SHARE ANY INTENT AT THAT TIME WITH THEIR PURPOSE FOR THE LAND WAS THEY CLEARLY HAD.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY THAT WAS SHARED IN THE MEETING AS WELL.
BUT THEY DIDN'T SHARE PURPOSE OR DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH NAU.
JUST A FRIENDLY SUGGESTION MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT, IT WILL SERVE THE CITY WELL IF WE KEEP COMMUNICATING WITH NAU WITH REGARDS TO THE PROGRESS OF THIS PROJECT.
FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION, I MET WITH MR. JOSH MAYOR YESTERDAY AND HAD MENTIONED THAT.
YOU KNOW IN HIS MIND NAU WILL SUPPORT THE SALMON LINE THE ALTERNATIVE LINE.
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BUT THEY WERE ALSO IT WAS ALSO NOTED THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPING THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT, WHICH WE NOW CALL THE SALMON LINE.THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY? I'LL JUST SAY THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE NAU AND I DID NOT TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE GREEN OR BLUE ROUTES, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THE SALMON ROUTE AND THE ORIGINAL ROUTE.
THEIR PREFERENCE IS THE ORIGINAL ROUTE, BUT THEY CAN EASILY LIVE WITH THE SALMON ROUTE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO THROW ANY WEIGHT AROUND ON THIS ISSUE.
I THINK THEY COULD GO WITH EITHER ONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY. LOUISE COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
SO TO START, I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JOSH YESTERDAY AND CAME TO THE SAME UNDERSTANDING AS COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY THAT THEIR PREFERENCE WAS THE ORIGINAL.
THEY COULD LIVE WITH THE SALMON.
THE BLUE AND GREEN WERE NOT OPTIONS FOR THEM.
I WANT TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE WITH ANY COMMENTS TONIGHT, BUT I WANT TO ADDRESS THEM PRIMARILY TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE SPOKEN, WHETHER ALONG THE ORIGINAL ROUTE OR ALONG THE NEW ONE.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO SAY IS THAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARD.
THIS IS NOT AN EASY DECISION, NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE GO.
IT DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THERE IS A HUGE WIN EITHER WAY.
I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, BUT ON BOTH OF THOSE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLANS WERE ALONG THE YELLOW ROUTE AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT TRAVEL ALONG THE SALMON ROUTE, NEITHER OF THEM WERE PLANNED FOR MAJOR ROADWAYS.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI WAS MENTIONING ABOUT SPEED, WHERE A MINOR COLLECTOR HAS SPEEDS AS LOW AS 35. AND WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING TO SEE, IS SOME CONTROL OF SPEED, CONTROL OF OF THE WIDTH OF THAT ROAD AND MAINTAINING BIKE PED AND ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION ALONG THOSE PATHS, ESPECIALLY TO ALIGN WITH OUR VISION OF.
PURSUING THOSE FOR FLAGSTAFF FUTURE AND NOT NECESSARILY RELYING ON VEHICLE TRANSPORTATION ALONG OUR ROADWAYS GOING INTO THE FUTURE. I THINK THAT SUPPORTS OUR CLIMATE INITIATIVES.
I THINK IT SUPPORTS THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE.
COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE. OTHER COMMENTARY ? VICE MAYOR.
THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN A TOUGH WEEK.
I WENT OUT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES MYSELF AND I KNOW ALL OF COUNCIL WENT OUT AS WELL.
AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS ENGAGEMENT STAFF LISTENING TO US AND WORKING ON THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENTS.
I THINK ALL OF THIS AND US WORKING TOGETHER.
IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND IS IMPORTANT.
SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
I WISH THAT THE GREEN LINE MADE MORE SENSE, I GUESS.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE DISCUSSION MOVE ALONG TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT POSITIVE ON THAT.
I AM THANKFUL THAT WE AT LEAST CAME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE THAT.
WE CAN DO THAT DOESN'T TAKE PROPERTY.
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AND I, TOO, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BE AT LEAST 35 MILES AND NOT THE 40.I THINK THAT IS A GOOD ACCOMMODATION, THE SOUND BARRIER WALLS IF WE END UP NEEDING THEM.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS PART OF THE PLAN.
I HAVE BEEN OUT TO JONI'S PROPERTY AND SHE HAS THE BIG POND AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE STAFF, IF WE DO GO THIS ROUTE, TO LOOK AT ANY WAY WE CAN FINAGLE THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE EVEN MORE OF A BUFFER IF THAT IS OUR DECISION.
I THINK WE IF WE CAN, WE OWE IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO TRY OUR VERY, VERY BEST ON THAT.
THE 2 TO 3 LANES WITH THE BIKE PED.
I'M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE COME TO THAT.
I SEE THE FUTURE THAT WE MAY NEED THE FOUR LANES.
IT MAY NOT BE THE POPULAR VOTE, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT AREA DEDICATED FOR THE FUTURE.
IT'S JUST SMART PLANNING, IN MY OPINION.
AND THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS FOR NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE THINKING.
THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN? AND IF YOU COULD DO SEASON Q'S, I HAVE THE CHAT BOX UP, SO SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE THE RAISED HANDS.
BUT COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN, I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE HAD IT UP, BUT THANK YOU.
I'M NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE I'M NOT ABLE TO USE THE COMMENT BOX IN THE WAY I'VE LOGGED ON HERE.
IF I WAIT LONG ENOUGH, I'LL JUST CHIME IN AND LET YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN WAITING.
BUT NO, I HAVEN'T HAD MY HAND UP FOR VERY LONG.
THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT A FUN OR JOYOUS DISCUSSION AT ALL.
I DON'T FIND ANYTHING ABOUT IT FUNNY.
I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF POPCORN THEM ALONG HERE A LITTLE BIT.
I DO THINK A SOLUTION IS GOING TO DEVELOP BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T HAVE A FIRM COMMITMENT TO ONE ROUTE OR THE OTHER.
I DO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS TO SHARE.
FIRST, I'LL START WITH SOME GENERAL THINGS.
I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY FINAL DESIGN THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE WILDLIFE PASSAGE LARGE ENOUGH FOR UNGULATES, ESPECIALLY ELK. SO REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT IN THE FINAL DESIGN FOR A LOT OF REGIONAL PURPOSES, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTS INTERACTIONS WITH THE WILDLIFE.
I WORRY THAT A SOUND RETENTION WALL IS JUST GOING TO BLOCK THOSE NEIGHBORS VIEW OF THAT WONDERFUL MEADOW REPAIRING AREA TO THE NORTH WEST.
SO I'M GOING TO WITHHOLD JUDGMENT ON THAT.
I THINK IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO REDUCE NOISE FROM THIS ROADWAY TO THOSE RESIDENTS WITHOUT INTERRUPTING THE VIEW SHED TOO DRASTICALLY.
IF THERE'S AN ENGINEERING SOLUTION THERE, I'D BE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS REMAIN TWO LANES.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN VERY PUBLIC ABOUT THIS.
I NEVER VOTED FOR THIS PROPOSITION.
I VOTED NO IS WHAT I NEED TO SAY.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THESE ROADS GO IN.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN JOHN WESLEY POWELL AND FOURTH STREET.
AND THERE'S MANY REASONS FOR THAT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THOSE HERE.
BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, THIS IS A DECISION THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
AND SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT MY HEART IS IN NOT DOING THIS AT ALL.
AND THE TOUGH DECISION IS GOING TO BE ONE THAT LEAVES PEOPLE UNHAPPY.
WE DID SPEND A LONG TIME OUT THERE.
IT WAS WONDERFUL TO MEET THE RESIDENTS AND TO PET THEIR DOGS AND TO LISTEN TO THEIR HORSES COMPLAIN AT US AS WELL AS HEAR THEIR OWN PROTESTS.
AND IT'S JUST SUCH A BEAUTIFUL AREA.
IT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL, FANTASTICAL WONDERLAND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LIVED IN.
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AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU FEEL SUDDENLY PUNCHED IN THE GUT BY THIS ALTERNATIVE.THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT THE YELLOW LINE WOULD, IN MY MIND, IS NOT AN OPTION.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN JUST RIGHT OFF THE TABLE.
IT CONDEMNS PROPERTY, IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT A FAIR AMOUNT OF CITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
I THINK THAT MR. BRIAN REITMAN'S CONCERNS ABOUT LITIGATION ARE LEGITIMATE AND PROBLEMATIC.
AND SO THAT LEAVES ME WITH THIS THE SALMON LINE, THE BLUE LINE AND THE GREEN LINE.
AND YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY HOPING FOR SOME SORT OF COST ESTIMATE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE GREEN LINE IS COST PROHIBITIVE. IN MY MIND, IT WOULD BE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR CITY STAFF TODAY.
IT SEEMS TO ME JUST BY LOOKING AT THE TERRAIN AND THE WAY THE ROAD WOULD NEED TO BE RAISED, THAT COSTS WOULD JUMP ENORMOUSLY IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE.
I DON'T THINK THE GREEN LINE REALLY AFFECTS THE CANYON DEL RIO PROJECT AT ALL.
IT DOESN'T CUT THAT BEAUTIFUL RIPARIAN CORRIDOR COMPLETELY IN HALF, AND IT STILL PROVIDES ACCESS FOR EVERYBODY, INCLUDING ANY YOU AND I WILL SAY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO JOSH MAYER AND OUR ANY YOUTH COMMUNITY, IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND TO WEIGH THOSE AND BRING THEM INTO THE CONVERSATION.
THEIR CONCERNS HERE ARE ON THE BOTTOM OF MY LIST OF PRIORITIES.
FIRST, I WANT TO MAKE OUR RESIDENTS HAPPY.
I'M NOT. MY GUESS IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT LAND FOR A LAND SWAP DOWN THE ROAD ANYWAY.
I'M NOT SURE THEIR NEEDS REALLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED GIVEN.
THE WEIGHT OF THE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
SO GREAT TO LISTEN TO THEM, BUT NOT REALLY PART OF MY CALCULUS AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M SITTING WITH THIS.
AND AGAIN, I WILL NOT I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY OF THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE A THE SUFFICIENT WILDLIFE CORRIDOR INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. AND CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT FOLKS ARE THINKING ABOUT THE GREEN LINE.
I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND HOW THE GREEN ROUTE NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE DEVELOPERS, EXCEPT THAT IT CUTS RIGHT THROUGH LITTLE AMERICA'S PROPERTY, AND THAT MY GUESS IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE ROUTE TO BUILD.
AND I THINK IT DOES TAKE A FAIRLY WIDE SWATH OF RIPARIAN AREA AND BIFURCATE IT EXACTLY IN HALF.
IF WE GO WITH THE BLUE LINE OR THE SALMON LINE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT WILL IMPACT THE RESIDENTS, BUT IT WON'T IMPACT THE ELK AS MUCH, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO I'M DONE THINKING OUT LOUD A LITTLE BIT HERE.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE, WHERE OTHER PEOPLE ARE LEANING.
IF WHAT I'VE HAD TO SAY IMPACTS OR AFFECTS ANYTHING THAT OTHERS ARE THINKING.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE REST OF THE CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN.
SO I JUST WANT TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS HERE.
IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO GIVE OUR INPUT IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND 2 LANES AND FUTS TRAILS.
TONIGHT, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE ALIGNMENT.
SO AS WE LET'S FOCUS IN A LITTLE BIT HERE.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS HERE.
I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT WE REALLY, REALLY ARE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY.
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EVERYONE. SO TO START US OFF FOR THIS DISCUSSION, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS IS WHAT HAS THE GREATEST IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES RIGHT NOW? AND RIGHT NOW, I SEE THAT THE ORIGINAL LINE IS GOING TO BE MORE DAMAGING TO PEOPLE'S PERSONAL PROPERTY.IT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST DAMAGING TOWARDS, I MEAN, HAVING A PROPERTY AND THEN HAVING YOUR KIDS THERE AND HAVING TO GET AN EASEMENT ON THEIR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S LOT TO EVEN ACCESS YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
AND I LIVED ON A BUSY STREET MYSELF WITH MY SMALL KIDS THAT I WOULDN'T ALLOW IN THE FRONT YARD.
AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
WELL, IN THE 1990S, THE CITY SOLD THAT LAND.
SO HOW MANY MIXED SIGNALS DOES THAT PROVIDE WHEN DEVELOPMENT AND ROADS DON'T ACTUALLY HAPPEN? AND WE'RE SELLING OFF THE LAND TO OBVIOUSLY A PRIOR COUNCIL AND HOW PEOPLE ARE PLANNING THEIR OWN PROPERTY AND HOW IT MOVES FORWARD.
SO WHEN I AM LOOKING AT THIS, I WILL TELL YOU THE ORIGINAL LINE SEEMS TO BE THE MOST DISRUPTIVE TO PEOPLE'S WAY OF LIFE.
AND THAT TO ME IS OFF THE TABLE.
THE THING IS, IS THAT THAT SAME LINE WAS A COMPROMISE.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT THAT.
THIS WAS PUT FORWARD AS A COMPROMISE TO BEGIN WITH, THOUGH CLEARLY IT WAS NOT AS LARGE OF POPULATION THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT I.
BUT KNOW THAT THIS WAS A COMPROMISE.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO ROAD THROUGH MY THROUGH MY PROPERTY IF I DIDN'T HAVE TO.
SO IN SOME WAYS, THIS IS A PLAN B FOR MOST EVERYONE.
AGAIN, THOUGH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I AM 100% SET ON.
WHAT I AM SAID ON IS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THE ORIGINAL ROUTE, WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST DISRUPTIVE IN MY MIND TO PEOPLE'S WAY OF LIFE IN THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN, THE SMALL PROPERTY OWNERS, AND AGAIN, THE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS.
MOST OF THEM WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER THE ORIGINAL ROUTE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
SO LET'S RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THIS WAS IN THE HEART OF SOME LEVEL OF COMPROMISE, THOUGH IT WAS NOT AS SHARED INFORMATION EARLY ON AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, WHICH AGAIN, I HAD PROBLEMS WITH.
SO I'M JUST SETTING THE STAGE HERE TO KIND OF MORE.
WHICH AREAS TO CROSS OFF FOR ME.
LET'S, CONSIDER THE ALIGNMENTS.
AND THE DESIGN ASPECT IS, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS PLUS OUT BEFORE WE'RE EVEN HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEW COUNCIL THAT HAS THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? AND WE NEED SOME CONCRETE ANSWERS IN A IN THE NEXT HOUR.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, NOT THAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP ANY, [LAUGHTER] BUT AS I SAID, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THIS MAP ON THE SCREEN IS A CARTOON.
SHANNON'S GOING TO PUT UP ANOTHER MAP FOR ME AND I'LL TALK TO IT.
WOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE TO THE RIPARIAN AREA.
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FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF THE RIVER.AND ESSENTIALLY THE SAME POINT IS THE SALMON ROUTE.
SO IT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE FROM THAT VIEWPOINT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I SEE THAT WHERE IT WOULD GO WHEN IT GETS PAST SOUTH OF THE RIO.
NOW WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK TO.
AS YOU SEE THREE LINES UP THERE ON THIS MAP.
THOSE ARE BASICALLY ALL THE SO CALLED SALMON ROUTE.
THEY'RE JUST SHOWING MORE DETAIL WHERE THEY WOULD BE.
AND SO AT THE VERY TOP OF THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE IT CROSSES THE RIVER.
NOW, THERE'S THE WAY IT'S PLANNED IS THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER, THE ROAD WOULD GO JUST EAST OF A ROCK OUTCROPPING. THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.
SO BUT ALL OF THESE ROUTES WOULD BE THE SAME IN THAT REGARD.
BUT ONCE YOU GET PAST THE RIVER GOING SOUTH, THERE'S THE ROUTE THAT STARTS BLUE AND ENDS UP YELLOW ON THIS MAP, HUGS THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE THAT LINE.
ON WHAT IS ON THIS MAP SHOWN AS GREEN.
AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD GET THAT ROAD AWAY FROM THOSE PROPERTIES JUST TO THE EAST OF IT.
NOW. WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, I COULDN'T TELL.
BUT WHEN I EXPANDED THIS ON MY OWN COMPUTER, I CAN SEE THAT ROUTE THAT ON THIS MAP IS GREEN IS ACTUALLY TO THE EAST SIDE OF THAT DRAINAGE. I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON THIS MAP, BUT ABOUT BETWEEN THE GREEN AND THE BLUE IS THE DRAINAGE.
SO THAT GREEN IS ACTUALLY UP ON THE SIDE OF THE HILL A BIT.
I BELIEVE THAT IS THE DRAINAGE LINE.
SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS THAT THE ROUTE, THAT ROUTE THAT'S GREEN ON THIS MAP, KIND OF ON THE SIDE OF THE HILL TO THE WEST SIDE OF THAT DRAINAGE.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN THAT IT GETS THE ROAD FARTHER AWAY FROM THOSE PROPERTIES ON THE RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK MR. GIBSON WILL BE HAPPY WITH THAT.
HE WANTS IT TO HUG THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY.
SO THE RECTANGLE THAT COVERS ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THAT PAGE WITH THE DOTTED LINES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE, THAT'S MR. GIBSON'S PROPERTY.
AND WHAT WOULD BE SHOWN ON THIS MAP IS GREEN.
SO THIS WOULD BE DETAILS OF THE SALMON ROUTE, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE HUGGETT AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO I'LL THROW THAT OUT FOR DISCUSSION.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE SALMON ROUTE WITH A LITTLE TWEAKING.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SO YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE SALMON ROUTE WITH THE TWEAK TO THAT SPECIFIC AREA? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU.
I ALSO SAY THAT AS I LOOK AT THIS, THE BLUE ROUTE.
DOESN'T SCARE ME AS MUCH AS FAR AS PROTECTING THE RIPARIAN AREA IS I NOW THAT I LOOK AT IT IN MORE DETAIL, BUT FROM AN ENGINEERING VIEWPOINT, I THINK IT'D BE LESS PRACTICAL BECAUSE THERE'S BASED ON THE TOPO HERE AND WHAT I SAW WHEN WE DID THE HIKE OUT THERE WAS THAT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD A ROAD UP THAT HILL AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A PROBLEM SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE OVER ON THE ORIGINAL ROUTE.
THE NORTH END OF THE ORIGINAL ROUTE.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI?THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR THE DISCUSSION.
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AFTER HEARING COUNCIL MEMBER ASSAILANT'S COMMENTS AND COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY ABOUT THE THE THE LESSER NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THE BLUE OPTION.I'LL JUST STATE THAT WHERE I'M AT CURRENTLY IS THAT THAT BLUE OPTION IS MY TOP PRIORITY.
SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
CONTINUE. SO YEAH, I GUESS JUST I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY STARTING TO GO INTO ADDITIONAL DETAILS ABOUT THE SALMON OPTION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT BEFORE I PERSONALLY START REALLY WEIGHING THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES WITHIN THE SALMON, IF THERE IS COUNCIL MAJORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BLUE OPTION. TO ME THAT MAKES NO SENSE AND MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL ABOUT THE SALMON OPTION UNTIL THERE'S CLARITY THAT THE BLUE OPTION ISN'T OUR TOP PRIORITY.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ON COUNCIL HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT YEAH, I'M DEFINITELY LEANING TOWARDS THE BLUE OPTION.
WELL, I WILL JUST MENTION THAT THE AS WE'VE HEARD, IF WE'RE DOING THE BLUE AND GREEN OPTION, THAT WILL BE CONTESTED BY THE CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS, MEANING A COUPLE OF YEARS DELAY AND LEGAL PROCEEDINGS.
THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE FACING A LOT OF THE EMINENT DOMAIN ISSUES, PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUES. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO 100%.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS REALIZING WHAT THE BLUE AND GREEN MIGHT ENTAIL FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, FROM TIME TO PLACE, FROM COSTS ASSOCIATED.
IF WE HAVE TO WAIT AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS BEFORE WE CAN APPLY FOR FEDERAL GRANTS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT I WANT TO KIND OF START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION, BECAUSE PRIMARILY THE TIMELINE ASPECT THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IS REGARDING CANYON DEL RIO AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY PUTTING INTO THAT LOT.
WE CAN DISCUSS THE NEXT PART SO WE'RE NOT MUDDLING THINGS.
IS THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WANTS THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT OR ARE WE READY TO MOVE FOR AN ALTERNATE, THOUGH WE HAVE NOT YET DECIDED WHICH ALTERNATE THAT MIGHT BE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WELL, TWO THINGS.
I SUPPORT TAKING THE ORIGINAL ALIGNMENT OFF THE TABLE.
AND SECONDLY, BECAUSE OF THE COLOR CONFUSION, I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
WE WILL CALL THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN NOW, GREEN, BLUE, SALMON AND YELLOW.
BUT OF THE SALMON WILL HAVE SALMON WEST, SALMON CENTRAL AND SALMON EAST.
THOSE WILL BE THE THREE ON THE OTHER.
SO WE WON'T CALL THOSE BY COLOR.
WE'LL CALL THEM BY WEST CENTER AND EAST SALMON.
THREE. THREE LITTLE MINOR CHANGES.
COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE AND THEN VICE MAYOR.
I'M IN AGREEMENT ON TAKING THE YELLOW OFF THE TABLE.
VICE MAYOR. I TOO AM IN AGREEMENT.
LET'S GET THAT YELLOW OFF THE TABLE.
COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI? I DID SEE YOU IN THE CHAT, BUT PLEASE VOICE YOUR OPINION.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN THAT DOES GIVE COUNCIL MAJORITY.
I'M ALSO SEEING A NOD FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS THAT THE YELLOW ROUTE IS OFF.
I MADE THAT. I MADE THAT VERY CLEAR IN MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS AS WELL.
YEAH, CERTAINLY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN.
OK. SO NOW PROCESS OF ELIMINATION.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS TO THE WEST.
AND AGAIN, WE WILL NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
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THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS.AND AGAIN, WE NEED CONCRETE ANSWERS AT THIS POINT AS OPPOSED TO DISCUSSION OF THE COST BENEFITS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S COSTS AND BENEFITS TO EVERY SINGLE OPTION HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY WELL, IN THE SPIRIT OF ELIMINATION, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THE GREEN OFF THE TABLE AND SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THAT, AND THEN THEN WE'D BE DOWN TO BLUE.
AND THEN THE THREE SUB OPTIONS FOR SALMON.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION.
I'M HAPPY TO HEAR FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BLUE OR THE SALMON ROUTE.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THOSE UP OF THOSE ADDED MODIFICATIONS.
THERE IS JUST A COUPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS VIEW SHED.
OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUILT ARE FARTHER AWAY AND WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE ROAD.
BUT IN THAT SECTION RIGHT THERE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM BEING THERE ON THE GROUND, AS OUR BABBIT HAD MENTIONED, BEING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING 50 FEET AWAY AND 200 FEET AWAY.
SO IF WE ARE DOING THE SALMON ROUTE, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SUGGESTION THAT WE TAKE A BIT MORE WESTERLY ROUTE, PARTICULARLY WHAT HE HAD SUGGESTED ON THE MORE.
AND IN THE FUTURE, LET'S GET A LEGEND HERE ON THESE MAPS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS MAP, THE MAP ON THE SCREEN WAS PREPARED BY STAFF.
THE MAP THAT I SHOWED AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO, WE CAN BRING IT BACK UP.
THAT WAS PREPARED BY A PRIVATE PERSON AND NOT CITY STAFF.
THAT'S WHY THE COLORS WEREN'T COORDINATED.
YES. CERTAINLY THAT WAS NO FAULT OR ANYTHING BY STAFF.
BUT LET'S YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
BUT AGAIN, LET'S SEE WHERE COUNIL STANDS.
AND IF MY COMPUTER WOULD NOT GO TO SLEEP EVERY 5 MINUTES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I'LL START US OFF. YES, PLEASE DO.
THANK YOU. SO I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'M AT.
COUNCIL ALSO IS GOING TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
I'M HAPPY WITH THE BLUE OPTION AS OUR TOP CHOICE.
AND THEN ONCE THE THE CONFLUENCE OF THE DIFFERENT ROUTES MERGE, I DON'T REALLY CARE TOO MUCH.
I'LL HAVE A PREFERENCE IN TERMS OF HOW IT CONTINUES TO THAT NORTHEASTERN CORNER.
BUT I DO THINK THE BLUE ROUTE IS THE MOST DIRECT AND MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME.
IF THIS WERE TO MAKE SENSE TO DO THIS, WE COULD KEEP THE SALMON AS A PLAN, A SECONDARY PLAN, IN CASE THE BLUE ROUTE COMES BACK TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE OR IT GETS CAUGHT UP IN LITIGATION, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
BUT I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE US PUT THAT LINE FIRST.
BUT KEEP THE SALMON AS A BACKUP, PERHAPS.
WE DO NEED CLEAR DIRECTION, THOUGH, ON THE ALIGNMENT.
I MEAN, WE NEED TO REALLY GET INTO THE DESIGN PHASE AND SO FORTH AT THIS POINT.
SO YOUR PREFERENCE IS THE BLUE LINE.
I HEAR YOU. SO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
TODAY THAT WE ARE HERE BECAUSE OF COUNSEL'S DIRECTION BACK IN OCTOBER, BECAUSE OF THE OPPOSITION OF RESIDENTS TO THE YELLOW LINE, WHICH WE HAVE ELIMINATED TODAY.
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SO FOR SIX MONTHS STAFF WORK WITH.AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS EVEN INVESTED THEIR OWN PRIVATE DOLLARS WITH THE STUDIES IN COMING UP WITH THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, WHICH WE CALL THE SALMON ROUTE.
IS BRINGING IN PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION FROM ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS CANYON DEL RIO, LITTLE AMERICAN CEMETERY, GIBSON AND JUNIPER POINT.
I AM COMPASSIONATE AND VERY MINDFUL OF THE IMPACTS TO RESIDENTS, WHETHER THE YELLOW LINE OR THE SALMON LINE.
AND SOME FOLKS CALL IT BANANAS, WHERE THERE'S A SENTIMENT BANANAS MEAN BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEAR ANYONE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO BANANAS.
I WANT TO COME UP WITH A PRAGMATIC DECISION.
AND I HAVE TO REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE WERE NOT ELECTED TO BE COMFORTABLE.
WE WERE NOT ELECTED TO PLEASE EVERYONE.
WE ARE ELECTED TO COME UP WITH A COLLECTIVE DECISION.
THAT IS PRAGMATIC AND WILL SERVE THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF FLAGSTAFF AND ALSO BEING COGNIZANT OF ALL OUR DUTIES AND OBLIGATIONS AS MANDATED BY VOTERS BY VIRTUE OF 419, WHICH ACTUALLY.
FUNDS THE PROJECT BY ONLY 40%.
WE STILL HAVE TO FIND THE REMAINING 60%.
AND I AM ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN BRINGING IN STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS TO OUR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
WITH MY ROLE ON METRO PLAN BOARD AND AS VICE CHAIR OF THE RURAL TRANSPORTATION ADVOCACY COUNCIL.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRAGMATIC DECISION OF CHOOSING THE SALMON ALTERNATIVE LINE, AND I AM OPEN TO DISCUSSING THE DETAILS OF THE SALMON LINE AS PROPOSED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY.
COUNCIL MEMBER SALAS. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
THANK YOU. I'LL BE AGAIN ATTEMPT TO BE BRIEF.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL IN PURSUING THE SALMON LINE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IN LOOKING AT THIS AND I WENT BACK EARLIER TODAY AND REWATCHED THE MEETING FROM OCTOBER 5TH OF LAST YEAR AND THE THE PUBLIC COMMENT MEETING WITH THE SMALL PARCEL OWNERS.
AND FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, THE GREEN AND BLUE LINES WERE NOT ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.
THEY WERE NOT AGREED TO ROUTES BY THOSE LANDOWNERS IN THOSE AREAS.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO TO KEEP IN MIND IS I'M NOT SURE THAT THOSE ARE ENTIRELY ON THE TABLE FOR US TO BE LOOKING AT AS ALTERNATIVES.
AND IF I'M WRONG, I'M OPEN TO BEING CORRECTED ON THAT.
BUT SHORT VERSION IS I AM AMENABLE TO LOOKING AT THE SALMON ROUTE AS THE ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT WITH TWEAKS THAT CAN BE MADE AS IT GOES INTO THE DESIGN PHASE.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HOUSE.
SO EARLIER WE WENT AROUND AND I DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DESIGN ASPECTS, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY, BUT I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW I'M LISTENING AND I'M HEARING THE CONCERNS.
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AND THE ONLY WAY I CAN CONVEY THAT, MAYOR, IS IF I TALK ABOUT THOSE CONCERNS AND THE DESIGN.I TOO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE SALMON ROUTE.
THAT WAS MY INITIAL THOUGHT FROM THE GET GO.
I HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF YOU AND THAT IS STILL WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND WHEN I'M OUT THERE, THAT IS WHAT I SEE IS AS OUR BEST ROUTE. AGAIN.
I DON'T TAKE THIS DECISION LIGHTLY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.
COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CLEARLY COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED DIRECTION HERE.
NOTWITHSTANDING, I DO WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ORANGE LINE.
I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE WESTERLY OR CENTRAL AND NOT TOTALLY TO THE EAST.
THAT'S A HIGH COUNTRY FOSTER KITTEN THERE.
SHE HASN'T LEARNED HER MANNERS WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL MEETINGS.
SO, YEAH, YOU KNOW, I HOPE WE'RE WRAPPING THIS MEETING UP.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A CLEAR DIRECTION HERE FOR HOW TO PROCEED.
I JUST WANT TO END MY COMMENTS BY SAYING THANK YOU TO THE RESIDENTS FOR ENGAGING.
THANK YOU FOR FEELING EMPOWERED TO TALK WITH US.
I HOPE THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOUR VOICES HAVE BEEN RESPECTED AND HEARD.
THIS WAS A THORNY DECISION THAT HAD TO BE COME TO.
PARTIES AND CONFLICTING INTERESTS IN PLAY, AND I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED NOT TO DO THIS AT ALL.
I THINK THIS ORANGE LINE IS GOING TO BE A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND HAVING BEEN OUT THERE WITH SOME OF THOSE FOLKS FROM LITTLE AMERICA AND WITH KELLY GIBSON AND SYMMETRY, THEY'RE GREAT GUYS.
I THINK WE COULD HAVE SAT DOWN AND MAYBE DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE FURTHER.
BUT THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE WE STAND.
AND I WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY JULY AND LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING BACK INTO ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE COME BACK FROM RECESS IN EARLY AUGUST.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN.
COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI? YEAH. AS WE DO BEGIN TO SORT OF WRAPPING UP THE CONVERSATION, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS COUNCIL DIRECTION FOR THE SALMON OPTION, I DO WONDER COUNCIL AND MAYOR AND STAFF IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT SALMON ALTERNATIVE MAYBE WIGGLE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET FROM A TO B RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOPING AROUND WITH THE YELLOW, FOR EXAMPLE.
COULD IT COULD IT COME NORTH UP THE GIBSON PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE GIBSON PROPERTY, AND THEN BETWEEN LITTLE AMERICA AND GIBSON AND THEN CONTINUE NORTHBOUND AS PLANNED JUST TO KIND OF CUT A COUPLE MORE CORNERS THERE.
BUT ALSO THE PROBLEM IS THAT TOPOGRAPHY.
OKAY. TOPOGRAPHY IS REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
THINK OF COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE HILLS ARE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE VALLEYS ARE.
AND FROM THE THE SALMON ROUTE.
LOOKS FROM AN ENGINEERING VIEWPOINT, LOOKS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE PRACTICAL THAN THE BLUE ROUTE.
NOT THAT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ANYTHING, BUT IT'S HARD TO SEE IT ON THIS.
BUT WHEN I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A PAPER COPY BECAUSE IT KIND OF GOES UP THE DRAINAGE WHERE THE BLUE ONE, LIKE, GOES ACROSS AND THEN GOES UP AND THEN GOES DOWN AND.
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IT'S MORE DIFFICULT.I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR ENGINEERING FRIENDS COMMENT TO THAT.
I CAN BRING UP DANNY FROM PEAK ENGINEERING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY.
THEY'VE DONE SOME DESIGN INITIAL DESIGN WORK IN THIS AREA.
MAYOR COUNCIL. DANNY WASHBURN, PEAK ENGINEERING.
THE WAY WE LOOKED AT THAT PRELIMINARY BLUE LINE, JUST TO SEE IF THE PROFILE WOULD WORK AND THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL TOPOGRAPHY AND THERE'S EXPENSE WITH THAT.
AS MENTIONED, WE DIDN'T DO A DETAILED COST ANALYSIS OF THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE FOLLOWED RIDGE LINES.
SO WITH THAT MAIN CROSSING AND THE GREAT DIFFERENCE, THERE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL GRADE.
UH. WELL, I HAD TO SWITCH BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MAPS TOO MUCH.
BUT JUST NORTH OF THE RIO TO FLAG IS WHERE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BLUE LINE AND THE SALMON LINE RIGHT NORTH OF THE RIO TO FLAG IS THE SAME LINE.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO NOTE THAT PULLING IT NORTH OF THE GIBSON PROPERTY, AS OPPOSED TO THE NORMAL SALMON LINE WITH TOPOGRAPHY CONCERNS, IT'S ALSO NOT GOING TO MAKE AS MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE TO REALLY IT'LL BE THE SAME FOR HALF OF THE RESIDENTS ON THAT WESTERN STRIP.
SO JUST JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
BUT WE DO HAVE COUNCIL DIRECTION ON THIS AT THIS POINT.
AND WE'LL NOTE THAT NOT ONLY DID COUNCIL DECIDE ON THAT MORE SALMON LINE THAT WE DID HEAR FROM A MAJORITY SAYING THAT A MORE WESTERLY ROUTE ON ANY MODIFICATIONS SOUTH OF THE RIO TO FLAG WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
AGAIN, THE BLUE AND SALMON RIGHT THERE.
IT'S THE SAME SOUTH OF THE RIO TO FLAG.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO WITH THAT ALIGNMENT WE HAVE TO CROSS RIGHT THERE IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THAT RIO TO FLAG IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE MORE WESTERLY TO NOT DIS AFFECT THE MORE SOUTHERN SOUTH WESTERN SMALL PROPERTY OWNERS, THE BETTER.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY SO THAT MIGHT BE ENOUGH DETAIL FOR TONIGHT.
I MEAN, WE CAN LEAVE THIS UP TO THE ENGINEERS TO ACTUALLY LOCATE IT.
THE ONE I WAS SUGGESTING IS THE MIDDLE ONE ON THE OTHER MAP.
AND I'LL NOTE THAT THAT'S JUST TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE DRAINAGE AND YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING WAY UP THE SIDE OF THE HILL, BUT IT UP ENOUGH SO THAT YOU'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRAINAGE AND OK.
YEAH, THE MAIN PART TONIGHT WAS REALLY THE ALTERNATE OR THE ORIGINAL ROUTE.
SO THAT WAY THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN CANYON DEL RIO CAN BE PROPERLY DONE.
AND TONIGHT WE MADE THAT DECISION AND WE'LL HAVE MORE DESIGNS AND SO FORTH BEFORE US IN THE FUTURE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY ONE VERY QUICK COMMENT.
I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD GET ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY TO MAKE A FOUR LANE PLUS TURN LANE.
BUT FOR NOW, ONLY DO TWO LANES PLUS TOURNAMENT.
YES. AND I THINK I'VE HEARD QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
YEAH. MR. PETERSON COUNCIL MEMBER MCCARTHY, WHEN YOU SAY FOR NOW, JUST DO THE TWO LANE, YOU MEAN FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES? NOT FOR ACQUISITION PURPOSES, CORRECT? FOR ACQUISITION.
LET'S START. I SHOULD PLUG THIS IN SO IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GO OFF ALL THE TIME.
SHIMONI OR ASLAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JUST JUMP IN.
I'M SORRY. LET'S KEEP SHUTTING DOWN ON ME.
I'LL JUST SAY REALLY QUICK, SINCE MR. MCCARTHY JUST STATED HIS PREFERENCE IN ACQUISITION, I'LL JUST BE CLEAR AND SAY THAT I'M FOR THREE LANES, THE ACQUISITION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THREE LANES AND CAPPING IT THERE.
BUT RESPECT THAT I MIGHT BE NOT IN THE MAJORITY, BUT I THINK IT IS CLOSE.
I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN WAS ONE OF THEM, BUT STILL MIGHT BE IN THE MINORITY.
BUT REGARDLESS, JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THINKING.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI.
WHAT WAS THAT? COUNCIL MEMBER ASLAN.
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JUST CONFIRMING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHIMONI IS CORRECT IN HIS A.I THINK THE DECISION WE ARE NEEDING TONIGHT ON THE LARGER ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN DECIDED.
SO UNLESS STAFF NEEDS ANYTHING MORE FROM US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYONE.
COMMENTS LARGE AND SMALL AND FOR THE COUNCIL AND STAFF AND THE WHOLE TEAM SUPPORT.
MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.